I extracted the census for Blake from the Irish Census for 1911, 1901, 1851, 1831, and 1821. Just under 2000 for 1911 and 1901 and much smaller for the other three. I want to add this information to the Galway Blake Family Tree on Legacy. Plus I will start a new Legacy tree for Other Irish Families. That is a side project but has an interesting reason as I search out the non-Galway Blake families. I will go in and acquire the military records for Irish Recruits into a database as well and gradually I may get a picture of Ireland and the Blake families who lived there.

Today I shall spend some time on the Cornwall Blake family as I would like to complete the extraction of the CMB records from the OPC website for Cornwall. After I complete the parishes within 25 miles of Bodmin there are only twenty parishes left that have Blake records.

I also want to do a writeup on H11 haplogroup. There are now 116 members of my mtDNA study group and the last six months a lot of the new members are from all around the world but principally Eastern Europe. It still amazes me that both the mitochondrial and the yDNA lines are fairly uncommon (i.e. the numbers would be in the tens of thousands  who are exact matches likely) thus making it somewhat easier to place our lines into particular geographic locations.

I continue phasing the DNA for both my parents using my own and my siblings autosomal DNA results. I am running at around 25% of results where I can only predict one and not two of the expected values (i.e. A, C, G, or T). But 75% of them are falling neatly into place. I can see why my two siblings who tested matched each other so much more than me (although still within the limits of being full siblings as we are) and I can see that we have a lot of differences. I am comparing my results with those obtained from 23 and Me and I could also put Ancestry into the table. just for interests sake. In general FT DNA avoided reading areas that had medical implications thus ensuring that allowing people to see your results in a Chromosome Browser doesn't release any health results. This will be a long project. I considered writing a excel macro to do the stripping but decided to do it this way. It is actually quite quick and I am not in a rush. I am hopeful that more of my siblings will test and then I can add them in as I go along. 

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 25

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Sarah Tanner is my next 4x great grandparent to be presented in this 52 Ancestor Challenge. She was baptized 31 Dec 1758 at Tilshead daughter of John Tanner and Ann Stratton who were themselves married  27 Jan 1752 at Little Cheverell. Sarah's parent were a brick wall for me for a number of years. A researcher for whom I did a transcription (three pages) spent a little time with the Little Cheverell records at the Wiltshire Record Office but did not find any records for John Tanner or Ann Stratton other than their marriage in this village. A stroke of good luck occurred when I uploaded a new tree to Find My Past and I received hints. There was a pointer to Joseph Stratton and Rachel Whitley as the parents of Ann Stratton and that she was baptized 8 Oct 1731 at Winterborne Stoke. I have been a long time utilizing the power of the search engines at Find My Past and can now say that they are terrific. I am slowly following through on the hints which number nearly 600!

It has always been a mystery to me that Jeremiah Rawlings and Sarah Tanner married at Tilshead. The priest noted in the register that Jeremiah was from Enford thus locating him very neatly in my Rawlings family there. Jeremiah is a rather unusual forename in the Rawlings family thus making it doubly easy to connect him with his birth family. But why was Jeremiah in Tilshead? That is a story for another 52 Ancestor Challenge as Jeremiah will be next.

Sarah had one known brother John who was baptized 10 Mar 1756 at Tilshead. These are the only two births that I have found for this couple and the researcher mentioned earlier had looked for births at Little Cheverell where the parents had married in 1752 as four years is a long gap before children in this time period. Ann, mother of John and Sarah, was buried at Tilshead 2 Oct 1779 so plenty of time for more children. I do not however have any information on John Tanner her husband. Although there are hints I can not separate my John Tanner from any of these hints with any sense of correctness. I do not know when or where he died.

This day will be spent looking at possibilities for John Tanner to see if I can locate his baptism and the names of his parents. Since this family moves about a great deal I shall set my checking over a larger area than I might in general.

Possibilities for John Tanner

John Tanner baptized 26 Feb 1726 at Chisledon (21 miles from Little Cheverell) son of John Tanner and Elizabeth King

John Tanner baptized 29 Jun 1729 at Kington Saint Michael (20 miles from Tilshead, 16 miles from Little Cheverell) son of John Tanner

John Tanner baptized 30 Jul 1718 at Kington Saint Michael son of Thomas Tanner

John Tanner baptized 20 Sep 1717 at Bemerton (17 miles from Little Cheverell) son of William Tanner and Mary

John Tanner baptized 17 Nov 1728 at Draycot Cerne (16 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Isaac Tanner and Mary

John Tanner baptized 29 Nov 1717 at Colerne (16 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Benjamin Tanner 

John Tanner baptized 18 Sep 1726 at South Burcombe (15 miles from Little Cheverell) son of John Tanner and Constant

John Tanner baptized 29 Nov 1717 at Box (14 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Gideon Tanner and Jane

John Tanner baptized 27 Nov 1729 at Downton (24 miles from Little Cheverell) son of George Tanner and Jane

John Tanner baptized 25 Jun 1727 at Clyffe Pypard (16 miles from Little Cheverell) son of William Tanner and Elizabeth

John Tanner baptized 23 Aug 1724 at North Bradley (9 miles from Little Cheverell) son of John Tanner and Jane

John Tanner baptized 8 Jul 1727 at Melksham (9 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Townsend Tanner

John Tanner baptized 21 Sep 1719 at Maddington (8 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Thomas Tanner and Christian

John Tanner baptized 20 Nov 1716 at Maddington son of William Tanner and Alice

John Tanner baptized 13 Apr 1725 at Southbroom St James (6 miles from Little Cheverell) son of Edmund Tanner and Susana

Fifteen possibilities for John Tanner who married Ann Stratton at Little Cheverell. One item of interest is the naming of their first child John. Ann's parents were Joseph and Rachel. The children were named John and Sarah. Only four of the baptisms above have John as the father. Sarah does not occur at all. It does seem somewhat strange that Ann would name her first daughter Sarah with her mother named Rachel. Little Cheverell is fifteen miles from Winterborne Stoke but only six miles from Tilshead.

Rachel Strotton was buried 22 Oct 1734 at Winterbourne Stoke. Ann would have been just three years old and would have only known Jane as her mother as a child. Her younger sister Mary must have died as two children are named Mary by Joseph and Jane. Joseph Strotton married  Jane Ganger at Winterborne Stoke 12 Jan 1734 and baptisms for children of Joseph and Jane Stratton at Winterbourne Stoke:

Mary baptized 28 Jan 1735
Mary baptized 31 Aug 1737
Rachel baptized 17 Mar 1746

The Tanner family is a large one just in Wiltshire and finding the correct John Tanner will need some other evidence. I do have the marriage registration for John Tanner and Ann Stratton married 27 Jan 1752 at Little Cheverell but it does not provide any further information. Interestingly enough there is a will written by a Nicholas Tanner of Little Cheverell in the year 1565 where he mentions his wife Alice Tanner, his son Thomas Tanner, his son Hugh Tanner. His overseers are friends or neighbours. No mention of other relatives in this will. There is a Thomas Tanner father of John Tanner baptized 21 Sep 1719 at Maddington just eight miles from Little Cheverell.

It would appear that I need to do more work in Little Cheverell in case the Tanner family is simply not showing up in this area in the FamilySearch or FindMyPast records. Looking at other wills for the Tanner family in this area there is a will for Hugh Tanner dated 1600 and for a Christopher Tanner, husbandman, circa 1639 but neither of these two wills have been scanned to date. There are no wills for the Stratton/Strotton family at Winterbourne Stoke on the Wiltshire Record Office Search. However there are over 200 on the National Archives site for Stratton with 17 from Wiltshire, none appear to be useful. There is one will for Strotton on the National Archives website but again not in a useful time frame.

It would appear that my brickwall continues for John Tanner the father of Sarah Tanner my 4x great grandmother.

Ancestry of Sarah Tanner:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Edith Bessie TAYLOR (b 1 Apr 1875) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. Elizabeth RAWLINGS (b 19 Oct 1853) - Enford Wiltshire England
5. William RAWLINGS (b 1825) - Enford Wiltshire England
6. Thomas RAWLINS (b 20 Sep 1783) - Enford Wiltshire England
7. Sarah TANNER (b 31 Dec 1758 - Tilshead Wiltshire England
8. John TANNER

Thinking about randomness of inheritance as I work my way through the autosomal DNA results for my birth family lines. I thought I might write a macro to make a fast job of this but really I have to look at each line just because that works best for me. Even if another sibling tests then I would do it exactly the same way inserting their results in their birth order. One is left to wonder does birth order matter or is randomness the normal way for passage of DNA from parent to child during fertilization. Does age play a role at all; some diseases are said to be more prevalent in an aging parent than a younger parent. Do some of these genes age in such a way that adenosine becomes more dominant and aggressive in a fertilization process than say guanine or cytosine or thymine? An intriguing thought once you get down to decision making time on particular snps. One can just leave out the snps that one is unsure about and then create a file that you can then upload to gedmatch or can you? I shall have to debate that one for a bit. Gedmatch lets you look at particular lengths of a chromosome which is fascinating in itself. I will buy the extra tools once I have something in hand to work with on this idea of mine.

As a child I always felt different from my siblings and thus far my genetic complement is very different from them although enough sameness that I know we are siblings. I was number four child in a family of seven. My grandmother used to say that I was like her mother and amazingly that could actually be true. My siblings match a Pincombe twice as much as I do (my maternal grandfather) and my match with a known cousin of my grandmother on her father's side which is third cousin looks like a 4th to a 6th cousin on Ancestry so did I also get less of Buller. That only leaves me with Gray (my maternal grandfather's mother) and Taylor (my maternal grandmother's mother). Could she indeed be right that I resembled her mother. My grandmother's mother died when my grandmother was eleven. My grandmother saw her as a woman who spent all of her married life bearing children. My grandmother was the eldest and remembered the birth of her next in line sister and my grandmother would have been almost four years of age at that time. I can remember an event when I was just four years old so I can believe her story. Ada was a blue baby and born just under eight months gestation. She was kept in a bun basket near the stove to keep her warm which was probably why my grandmother remembered it so very well. Her mother had dark hair as mine was (now tinged with grey) but she did have grey eyes and mine are more hazel than grey. She was a tall slim woman probably about my height I suspect but tallness to an 11 year old is a lot of people. What reminded her of me characterwise was my hyperactivity. I was always in motion and that was how she remembered her mother. Plus I loved to sing as did her mother.

A child receives 50% of their DNA from their father and 50% of their DNA from their mother hence making it easy to work out if you have both parents or one parent and a child the likely DNA of the third member. But when you reach back to a grandparent and the amount of DNA they pass to a grandchild that can be quite variable. It could be that 25% is passed by each grandparent but this passing is done in the parent's body so that at fertilization chunks from each of their parents are rearranged at fertilization so that one could actually get nothing from one grandparent and the entire 50% that a parent contributes could have come from the other grandparent. When you reach great grandparent that you are talking about an average of 12.5% of their DNA passing to their great grandchild. The significance of ancestors in the DNA disappears rapidly - 50% in each generation because there are eight great grandparents to contribute to one child. You could have four of the eight contributing to that child and four not which would result in no matches with those lines or you could have the average 12.5% contributed by each great grandparent or some number in between 0 and 25%.

The maximum I could have received from my grandmother's mother then could be as high as 25% if at conception my mother passed DNA to me that consisted of 25% Taylor and no Buller. However I know that I match a Buller third cousin but it could be on the Welch side as a Buller married a Welch and they were my 2x great grandparents and that might account for the 4th to 6th cousin match instead of a 3rd cousin match. Thinking about it it is entirely plausible that I acquired closer to 25% Taylor and that was why my grandmother noticed that I seemed somewhat like her mother in both looks and character. However I must have also acquired some Welch, enough to match as a 4th to 6th cousin. My mother received 50% of her DNA from her mother which would of consisted of Buller and Taylor from her grandparents but the Buller included Buller and Welch and the Taylor included Taylor and possibly Roberts. That is what is so random about all of this we can get chunks that have passed down virtually intact from several generations back and they are our 4th, 5th and 6th cousin matches.

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 26

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Jeremiah (Jerome) Rawlins is another of my 4x great grandfathers. He has been known to me since the early part of my time in genealogy. I first met cousins online in 2006. From one of the cousins I received the fiche for Enford and I have imaged the records for the Rawlins family there. Jeremiah, unlike the rest of his siblings, was baptized at Netheravon instead of Enford. Fortunately my cousin had obtained that record as well and the priest has noted that Jeremiah was of Enford when he was baptized. Of note, the Rawlins family lived right at the edge of  the village of Enford close to Netheravon and perhaps on that day or at that time it was just more convenient to have Jeremiah baptized at Netheravon.

Jeremiah was married to Sarah Tanner at Tilshead 1 Nov 1780 and again the priest made a notation that Jeremiah was of Enford.





Note the spelling of Rawlins as Rallings. This Rawlins family did not begin to spell their name Rawlings until the early to mid 1800s. Some of my cousins still use the Rawlins spelling for their surname (particularly in Australia).

Jeremiah and Sarah baptized eight children at Enford, 1 baptism not found:

Elizabeth baptized 26 Aug 1781 and married to William Hurkett 10 Feb 1808 at Enford
Thomas baptized 20 Sep 1783 and married to Mary Dove 9 Dec 1807 at Woodford
Anne baptized 6 Dec 1785 and likely dead by 1793
John baptized 8 Oct 1786 (his only son William emigrated to Australia)
Jeremiah baptized 13 Feb 1790 (went to Australia)
Anne baptized 4 Apr 1793; buried 7 Dec 1793 at Enford
William baptized 5 Mar 1797
Anne baptized 5 Mar 1797
James born circa 1801 and married to Ruth Lay 24 Apr 1828 at Enford

My line descends down through Thomas married to Mary Dove and lately correspondence has indicated that my original thought that Thomas may have served in the Napoleonic Wars including being in Canada may be correct. There is a descendant of a child of a Thomas Rawlings born in North America in the time period 1807 to 1818 when his son Isaac is born in Wiltshire. There is also a daughter Harriet born circa 1813 in Wiltshire but deceased likely by 1819. Thomas and Mary were married 9 Dec 1807 at Woodford. A search of this parish register does not show any Rawlins/Rawlings families there other than this marriage of Thomas and Mary. Mary was of the parish of Woodford although no baptism has been found for her there. They have six children known by me:

Harriet 1813
Isaac 1818
Harriet 1819
Jeremiah 1821
Jane 1823
William 1825 (and my ancestor)

William Rawlings married Elizabeth Lywood 22 Sep 1849 at Amesbury and they had seven children:

George born circa 1851 at Milston married Mary Ann Mead
Harriet born circa 1852 at Enford and married to Charles C Butler mar quarter 1869 at Devizes
Elizabeth born 19 Oct 1853 at Enford and married to William Taylor 11 Feb 1882 at Ludgershall
Mary Jane born circa 1856 at Enford
William born circa 1858 at Enford and married Jane Barlow jun quarter 1883 at Collingbourne Ducis
David born circa 1863 at Enford and married Hannah Elizabeth Broadhurst dec quarter 1891
Sidney Herbert born circa 1870 at Collingbourne Ducis and married Lily Sherwood 10 Oct 1892 at Abbots Ann

My ancestor was Elizabeth and she had a child before her marriage to William Taylor named Ada Bessie Cotteril Rawlings baptized 27 Aug 1876 at Kimpton, Hampshire. Bessie would marry Samuel George Blake 1 Jun 1903 at Kimpton and they were my paternal grandparents. On the 1881 census she is listed as Ada Rawlings living with her maternal grandparents at Collingbourne Ducis.

William Rawlings circa 1902













William and Elizabeth Rawlings get my vote for best grandparents ever as they took in their grand daughter at some point after her birth and baptism at Kimpton (her baptism was five months after her birth at Kimpton) and she perhaps remained with her grandparents until after her mother's marriage in 1882. On the 1891 census she is listed as Bessie Taylor living with her step father, mother and siblings. She then married as Edith Bessie Taylor and I have it on good reference that Ada pronounced by a Wiltshire resident could well sound like Edith by the time it is recorded as such in Kimpton. My father mentioned that he had three grandfathers although only met the one shortly before he came to Canada. My grandmother did know she was illegitimate as her step father signed as a witness on her marriage registration and the name of the father was blank. Perhaps the families decided that they would not marry. Such information did not pass down in my family or in the family of her step siblings.But it all worked out for the best for all parties it would appear as each went on to have their families and were content.

Back to Jeremiah my 4x great grandfather and he was a labourer. His father was William Rawlins and the marriage which another researcher (paid by my cousin) felt with a reasonable search was William Rawlins and Mary Ford 30 Sep 1741 at Wylye and I agree that this is the likely marriage for this couple. They had eight children and five of them were baptized at Enford. For the eldest I have not yet found a baptism; I am missing one for Edward and the youngest, Jeremiah, was baptized at Netheravon.

Mary Rawlings born circa 1742 married Stephen Cotterel 28 Jan 1764 at Enford ( A grandchild of this couple would marry in Australia her second cousin William Rawlins (son of John).)
William baptized 17 Nov 1743 and married Mary Dyke 25 Sep 1766 at Enford
Edward born circa 1745 and married Ruth White 20 Jun 1766 at Enford
Elizabeth baptized 26 Jun 1747 and married Thomas Hillier 31 May 1772 at Enford
Thomas baptized 14 Jan 1748 and buried 11 Jul 1758 at Enford
Martha baptized 23 Jun 1751 and married Robert Matthews
John baptized 22 Oct 1752
Jeremiah baptized 13 Apr 1755 at Netheravon married Sarah Tanner 1 Nov 1780 at Tilshead

At this point William Rawlins and Mary Ford are elusive. Mary was buried 10 Mar 1789 at Enford. My object today is to learn more about William Rawlins and Mary Ford as I have not looked at this family for quite a long time. Solving the mystery of my grandmother happened back in 2006 following the purchase of eight birth/marriage/burial registrations that then permitted me to fit the family of Elizabeth Rawlins/William Taylor together with proofs. At that time I hypothesized a possible ancestry for William Rawlins which I put together from Family Search but discarded it. I have not yet found information for Mary Ford.

Searching for William Rawlins on Find My Past does verify the marriage at Wylye for a William Rawlins and Mary Ford. That this is my William and Mary is mostly based on the best fit - the only couple in the area that fits the description.

There is a baptism of William Rawlings 5 Jun 1716 at Box son of William and Ann and there is a marriage in 1750 at Box of William Rawlings and Mary West which eliminates this William from consideration. There is also a burial in 1760 of a William Rawlings at Box but could be the father of this William. The other baptisms would be underage.

There is a burial in 1759 at Charlton near Pewsey (six miles from Enford) that could well be William Rawlins. The last child born was Jeremiah in 1755. Back in 2004, 2005, 2006 I did a search on the Rawlins family in Family Search and discovered a William Rawlins baptized 6 Apr 1722 at Steeple Ashton son of John Rawlins and Ann Carrington who had themselves been married 21 Dec 1722 at Trowbridge (3 miles from Steeple Ashton). I also found a Mary Ford baptized Nov 1722 in Edington daughter of William Ford and Sarah Harding who had themselves been married 14 Apr 1718 at Edington. These two places are only 2.7 miles apart and just 11 miles to Wylye. They are both underage at the marriage in 1741 but why did they chose Enford to live in. Since William was a labourer he could well have obtained a position in that area noting that Enford is just 14 miles from Edington and 15 miles from Steeple Ashton. At the time this seemed rather fanciful and I abandoned the thought until I decided to write up William Rawlins as my 4x great grandfather and revisited these possibilities.

Looking at Ann Carrington she was baptized 25 Mar 1690 at Holt (2.3 miles from Trowbridge) so a reasonable distance. She was the daughter of Thomas Carrington and Anne Drewett who were themselves married 1 Aug 1687 at Colerne. Colerne is just nine miles from Trowbridge so not too far away. Thomas Carrington was buried 22 Jan 1717 at Holt and Anne Drewett was buried 3 Jul 1722 at Holt.

Looking at William Ford  baptized 15 Jan 1698 at Edington and he was the son of George Ford.

There is a John Rawlings baptized 21 Sep 1696 at Colerne son of William. There is a William Rawlings baptized at Steeple Ashton 16 May 1669 son of William.

Also baptized at Colerne children of William:

Ann Rawlings baptized 17 Nov 1686
William Rawlings baptized 9 Jan 1689
Elizabeth Rawlings baptized 12 Sep 1692
John Rawlings baptized 21 Sep 1696
Thomas Rawlings baptized 14 Jul 1700
 
John, William, Thomas, Henry, Joseph and Gifford Rawlings/Rawlins are all baptizing children in this time period at Colerne.

Looking at the places and events in which I am interested, John Rawlings/Rawlins baptized at Colerne son of William would appear to be an interesting possibility. Then this William perhaps the William baptized at Steeple Ashton 16 May 1669 also son of William. There is a William Rawlings baptized 23 Jan 1624 at North Bradley son of James (North Bradley is just 3 miles from Steeple Ashton).

There are a couple of marriages at Collingbourne Kingston for a William Rawlins - 1684 and 1694 with Anne Farmer and Ann Piper (widower at the second marriage). But it is 24 miles away so reluctant to look at that one too enthusiastically. 

I think the scenario John Rawlings baptized at Colerne son of William baptized at Steeple Ashton son of William baptized at North Bradley son of James sounds like a more reasonable lineage than moving large distances.

Ancestry of Jeremiah Rawlins:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Edith Bessie TAYLOR (b 1 Apr 1875) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. Elizabeth RAWLINGS (b 19 Oct 1853) - Enford Wiltshire England
5. William RAWLINGS (b 1825) - Enford Wiltshire England
6. Thomas RAWLINS (b 20 Sep 1783) - Enford Wiltshire England
7. Jeremiah RAWLINS (b 13 Apr 1755) - Enford (Netheravon) Wiltshire England
On examination the following appears interesting
8. William RAWLINS  (b 6 Apr 1723) - Steeple Ashton Wiltshire England
9. John RAWLINGS  (b 12 Sep 1696) - Colerne Wiltshire England
10. William RAWLINGS (b 16 May 1669) - Steeple Ashton Wiltshire England
11. William RAWLINGS (b 23 Jan 1624) - North Bradley Wiltshire England
12. James RAWLINGS

This is exciting to look at Rawlins/Rawlings once again. The spelling appears to be somewhat interchangeable in the records with notations being made that it is Rawlins in the Register and Rawlings in the Bishops Transcripts for the same record.

Looking a little more at Mary Ford wife of William Rawlins and married at Wylye, I had found possible parents earlier and I rather think these parents work very well. I am always somewhat troubled when you do not see the forenames appearing later (Sarah does not appear but looking at the marriage of Jeremiah Rawlings to Sarah Tanner which is a solid paper trail and Sarah does not appear in descending families in my line).The parents of this Mary could be William Ford and Sarah Harding who married 14 Apr 1718 at Edington. William is baptized at Edington 15 Jan 1698 son of George. There is a George Ford baptized 8 Apr 1672 at Edington son of William Ford. No marriage for George Ford that is reasonable but there is a marriage for William Foarde and Anne Horte 27 Oct 1662 at Colerne (Colerne is 13 miles from Edington). Another day I must get back to the Ford family. I will also work on the Sarah Harding family. Another time I shall work on the Rawlings family to see if I can find siblings and spouses for the possible ancestors of William Rawlins baptized 1723 at Steeple Ashton..

I decided to look at the X chromosomes of my parents and for my brother of course as that is his only X chromosome and from our mother. My father has only one X chromosome and my brother's results do not show any information presumably for my father's X chromosome since only a Y is passed to a male child with my sister and I receiving an X chromosome from our father which he received from his mother and therein lies the mystery. Why do my sister and I not have the exact same results since the X does not recombine?  I had to think this one through. My brother's result is the X chromosome that results from the recombination of our mother's two X chromosomes hence he has no effect on how we look at our father's X chromosome.

As I work my way down there are occasional spots where the X chromosome which my brother received does not allow for the result that my sister and I have received so at that point it becomes either TT or CT / CC or AC / GG or AG etc. So what does this actually mean and does it then become useful to phase the X chromosome. When one looks at the chromosome browser one would think that the three of us matched exactly but a half/match gives the same result as a full/match. If there are two results for some snps on the helix then presumably one of them is switched off so that it is not expressed. I think I am beginning to understand x transmission and why males suffer more from x transmitted diseases because they do not have a second x chromosome to switch off particular snps that are recessive and perhaps unhealthy. I must admit to finding all of this very intriguing. I had a great deal of interest in DNA when I attended University in the 60s but it was still a new field and not yet down into undergraduate courses in a way that I would have found it more fascinating that Honours Chemistry which I did study. For the most part what we received, my sister, and I follows through quite logically although looking through as I now am I can see that in the first 50 snps there are seven either/or in my mother's results or 14% difference between the X chromosome which we inherited and the one that my brother inherited and we roughly share that difference 50/50.

The Xchromosome is also interesting because it lets us look at particular matches that we may have.

I have nine pages of X matches (90) at FT DNA my sister has 13 pages (130) and  my brother has only 3 matches which includes his two sisters and one individual that I can not place. The match has a fairly extensive tree and I can find a couple of lines that might be interesting but the X chromosome is our mother's lines and the Dorset that comes up is on our Father's side. My brother does not share this match with us and it actually includes two sets of surnames and two single surnames with just one that has a tree (but just because they match this singleton match does not mean that they match my brother necessarily). This is actually his first match outside the family so is rather interesting. The tree shows a family with deep Virginia/North Carolina roots and then moving west from there as far as Texas. He is said to be a 4th-distant cousin. To look at X matches for a male the restriction is always towards the female, so our mother and her paternal grandmother and her mother/maternal grandparents but excluding the male line further back each time so always following the female portion plus the husband of the female at each level. That means I am looking at Grace Gray whose family lines were from Bewcastle, Cumberland and Etton/Holme on the Wolds East Riding of Yorkshire; I am looking at Ellen Rosina Buller whose father was born in Birmingham and his mother born at Lichfield with the father from Rugeley Staffordshire and the mother from Ashby de la Zouch Leicestershire and Ellen's mother who is my mystery lady born at Birmingham of parents possibly Thomas Taylor and Ellen Roberts whose lineage both stretches back one more generation at Birmingham and then unknown for Taylor and Warwickshire/Shropshire for the Roberts lines moving back. So a fifth cousin I am looking at 4x great grandparents and comparing that with a chart of ancestry that dates back into early colonial Virginia without any known debarkation point for the emigrant ancestor is virtually impossible. But it is interesting none the less to see that there is only one individual who matches my brother other than his sisters on the X chromosome. That tells me that not very many have tested in these lines but the potential is now there for them to do so as Ancestry moves into the British Isles.

One of my strongest X matches (3rd to 5th cousin with 60.32 cM shared) other than my siblings is with someone whose father's paternal grandmother came directly from Ireland born circa 1850. Anna Foster born 1850 Ireland and the daughter of Robert Foster. She is rather interesting because Anna would have received from her father Robert his only X chromosome passed directly to him from his mother and unaltered in this exchange. Anna then would have passed to her daughter in this case this X chromosome from her father and the one she received from her mother and the two would recombine to form a new X chromosome along with the X chromosome which she received from her father who again received it as passed from his mother whose family tree goes back into Yorkshire and Ireland (an interesting combination). Her mother's side is principally from Ohio/Missouri and before that Virginia. American ancestry is quite fascinating with the variety of ancestral locations to be found in their lines. Comparing her to other known lines she shares almost the same on the X chromosome as another match said to be 2nd to 4th cousin. On Chromosome 11 I have three people with known Irish ancestry who share DNA at almost the same location. Makes you wonder if this is a special block inherited by a number of Irish families. But the largest parts that I share with each of these four individuals including the one I am discussing are on different chromosomes. I need to have more people test that are known to me but that is really difficult given that we have no first cousins, few second cousins and half second cousins but many many third cousins that I do not personally know.

I shall continue working on the phasing of the X chromosomes with somewhat more knowledge than before I think. Discussion even with oneself can be quite beneficial if properly channelled! My living memory has been most beneficial to me and on occasion from comments received has proven to be handy to others which was a side product that I never anticipated when I started my blog in 2008.

The Suffolk Blake Family caught my interest today and they lived around Bacton. I had received a five page history of this family back into the 1400s earlier from another Guild Member but had not done very much with it. Today was the day to enter all that information into Legacy and see what I could find on Find My Past whilst I was doing that. There was some information on Find My Past but the Suffolk Parish Registers have not yet come up on Find My Past or Family Search.

I do have some wills for Suffolk which I have not yet transcribed but the wills for this particular branch are at the Bury Record Office:

Walter Blake, Exning, Suffolk 28 Apr 1674
Christopher Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 1 Feb 1780
Francis Blake, Stanningfield, Suffolk, 29 Apr 1676
Andrew Blake, Witnessham, Suffolk, 8 Feb 1821
Sir James Henry Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 May 1832
Elizabeth Blake, Southwold, Suffolk, 9 Dec 1848
Sir Patrick Blake, Langham, Suffolk, 24 Jul 1784
Edward Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 31 Jan 1770
Sir Patrick Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 16 Jan 1819
Dame Mary Anne Blake, Great Barton, Suffolk, 12 Aug 1841
Dame Maria Charlotte Blake, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, 3 Jun 1823

The researcher who has extracted this information from the records did so at a time prior to computer research but the thoroughness of the research was such that I have not found anything contrary at this moment in time.  Since the material was given to me to share with Blake family members I will insert the information which I extracted into this webpage. I do not know the name of the researcher to give him/her credit but suffice it to say that the only part of this that is my work is the style of display. I did check entries as mentioned where I could find the information.

I also  mention the Calendar of Patent Rolls as there are entires for Suffolk. There is one entry for Suffolk and it is William Blak during the reign of Edward 1 (1272-1307). The Robert mentioned as the first generation would likely have been born around the mid 1300s. Interesting that I do find a member of the Blake family in Suffolk at this early date (29 Aug 1304).


                          Descendants of [Robert or other] Blake

                                First Generation

1.  Blake [50] either this man was Robert Blake or the reference below refers to the son of this man and he was buried after 29 Nov 1414.

General Notes: Manorial records for Bacton manor survive back to 1413, and there are
Blake entries here, earliest mention is in a court dated 29 Nov 1414 when a
Robert Blake appears holding two pieces of land for a term of seven years
paying a yearly rent of 2d to the lord of the manor.

  His children were:

  + 2 M     i. John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.
  3 M    ii. Robert Blake [76].

General Notes: Court roll for the time of Henry VI 1422-1461 (HA 119;
50/3/143). Court held 21 Apr 1424 record the death of a Robert Blake who held
one and a half acres being part of Athelard's tenement; 28 perches and one
cottage being part of Carter's tenement and that Alice Blake the widow of the
said Robert should hold these for her life and that then these should be sold
by John Sparhawke and John Olive and the money thus arising to be used in deeds
of charity to benefit the souls of Robert and Alice Blake.

       Robert married Alice [77] [MRIN: 23].

                          Second Generation (Children)

2.  John Blake [48] was buried before 14 Jan 1431.

General Notes: In a court held of 21 Sep 1436 there is a long and complex entry
dealing with the Blake family. Basically, the Bishop of Norwich had to make a
ruling on inheritance. John Blake had died by 1434 and that he had had two sons
Richard Blake who was of full age at the time of his father's death and
Nicholas Blake who was not of full age at the time of his father's death but by
1436 was of full age. The brothers were obviously in dispute over their
inheritance and the Bishop ruled in favour of Richard Blake as his father's
next heir and so Richard Blake was admitted to one acre and one messuage of
lands in Bacton. This case had obviously been simmering for some time. In a
court held 14 Jan 1431 in the Court Leet section, Nicholas Blake had paid the
lord a fine for a search to be made in the court rolls for the manor concerning
the title to three acres of copyhold land in Bacton held of the lord of the
manor of Bacton and late in the possession of John Blake deceased.

 His children were:

  + 4 M     i. Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.
  5 M    ii. Nicholas Blake [49] was born by 1415.

                        Third Generation (Grandchildren)

4.  Richard Blake [47] was born By 1411.

   His child was:

  + 6 M     i. John Blake [45].

                    Fourth Generation (Great-Grandchildren)

6.  John Blake [45].

General Notes: Court held for the manor of Bacton on 16 Apr 1451 has the
admission of John Blake of Cotton to one acre of Eliot's tenement in Bacton and
that the said John Blake of Cotton owing suit to this court through the right
of his father Richard Blake a copyhold tenant of this  manor is admitted tenant
to the foresaid land.

  John married Agnes [46] [MRIN: 13].

     Children from this marriage were:

  + 7 M     i. Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  + 8 M    ii. John Blake [70].

                  Fifth Generation (Great Great-Grandchildren)

7.  Robert Blake [43] was buried on 10 Nov 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.

General Notes: Robert Blake left a will which is at Bury Record Office, will
made 28 Aug 1557, at which time Andrew his son was still alive. Also alive at
the time of the will was Robert Blake's wife Eleanor.

  Robert married Eleanor [44] [MRIN: 12].

     The child from this marriage was:

  + 9 M     i. Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk,
                   England.

8.  John Blake [70].

General Notes: Of Eye, Suffolk

Court Roll 1510 - 1530 (ha 119/t99/114)

Also mention of John Blake, son of John Blake and his wife Agnes, who
surrendered two acres of land being part of Tyrrellys tenement and half an acre
of pasture being part of Elyotts tenement all being copyhold land lying in
Bacton to the use of Robert Blake of Cotton (Court 12 Jul 1520). Further
mention of John Blake son of John Blake and Agnes had died seized of lands in
Tyrrells and Eliotts tenements, and that John Blake is his son and heir and is
of full age and is admitted to these lands.

  His child was:

  + 10 M     i. John Blake [65].

                   Sixth Generation (3rd Great-Grandchildren)

9.  Andrew Blake [39] was buried on 11 Oct 1560 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.

General Notes: Court Roll for the manor of Bacton was held 11 Oct 1560 which
records the entry for Andrew Blake's death and that Elizabeth Blake, widow, was
admitted to certain copyhold lands held by Andrew Blake as their son John Blake
was the heir and only aged seven and so his mother was admitted to the lands
during his minority.

Andrew as a son of Robert is also established in the court rolls for Bacton
manor, in an entry subsequent to the entry already referred to which records
the death of Robert Blake and that John Blake, son of Andrew Blake son of the
said Robert Blake, was his heir and that as the aforesaid John was a minor of
seven years Elizabeth Blake, widow and mother, of the said John was to be
admitted to the copyhold lands held by the said Robert Blake. Manorial Court
Roll for Bacton Manor 1559-1570, HA 119/T99/53; court held 10 Nov 1560

  Andrew married Elizabeth Loft [40] [MRIN: 10] on 15 Nov 1542 in Cotton,
      Suffolk, England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  11 F     i. Agnes Blake [72] was christened on 1 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England and was buried on 18 Jul 1543 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  12 F    ii. Ann Blake [73] was christened on 1 Mar 1545 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England. Ann married Jeremy Shulward [75] [MRIN: 22] on 3 Feb 1571 in Cotton,
           Suffolk, England.
  13 F   iii. Margaret Blake [74] was christened on 28 Jan 1548 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Apr 1565 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  + 14 M    iv. John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

10.  John Blake [65].

General Notes: John Blake senior

  John married Joan Grange [69] [MRIN: 19], daughter of Hugh Grange [71],  on
      23 Sep 1554 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Joan was buried on 30 May 1564
      in Cotton, Suffolk, England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  15 F     i. Alice Blake [66] was christened on 4 Aug 1555 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  16 F    ii. Margaret Blake [67] was christened on 3 Aug 1560 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  17 F   iii. Agnes Blake [68] was christened on 5 Dec 1563 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.

                  Seventh Generation (4th Great-Grandchildren)

14.  John Blake [37] was christened on 30 Aug 1553 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
       and was buried on 6 Dec 1623 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.

General Notes: John junior at baptism of Robert

A will of John Blake of Cotton in 1623 proves to be the will of the John Blake
married to Margaret and father of Andrew, Francis, etc.

His will is in the Bury branch of the Record Office. It is a long will with
much information contained therein proving that the family  held land of Cotton
Hempnalls manor, and also lands in Bacton. John Blake's wife Margaret was still
alive at the time of John's will but the only burial for a Margaret Blake in
Cotton is in 1675 (too late for this Margaret).

  John married Margaret Dunch [38] [MRIN: 9], daughter of Andrew Dunch [41] and
      Joane [42],  on 10 Jul 1580 in Cotton, Suffolk, England. Margaret died
      after 6 Dec 1623.

     Children from this marriage were:

  18 M     i. Robert Blake [61] was christened on 26 Nov 1581 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  19 F    ii. Jane Blake [62] was christened on 26 Dec 1583 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  20 M   iii. John Blake [63] was christened on 20 Oct 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England and was buried on 23 Jan 1588 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  21 M    iv. John Blake [64] was christened on 8 Feb 1589 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  + 22 M     v. Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  + 23 M    vi. Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  + 24 M   vii. Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

                  Eighth Generation (5th Great-Grandchildren)

22.  Andrew Blake [30] was christened on 10 Jun 1596 in Cotton, Suffolk,
       England and was buried on 14 Mar 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.

  Andrew married Frances Walker [31] [MRIN: 7], daughter of Thomas Walker [35]
      and Elizabeth Baldine [36],  on 22 May 1624 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.
      Frances was christened in 1599.

     Children from this marriage were:

  25 M     i. John Blake [32] was christened on 17 Mar 1627 in Bacton, Suffolk,
                   England and was buried in 1687.
  + 26 M    ii. Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham
                   Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in
                   Cotton, Suffolk, England.
  27 F   iii. Elizabeth Blake [34] was christened on 9 Apr 1635 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried in 1657.
  28 M    iv. William Blake [33] was christened on 3 Nov 1639 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

23.  Francis Blake [52] was christened on 3 Jun 1599 in Cotton, Suffolk,
       England and was buried on 2 May 1660 in Cotton, Suffolk, England.

General Notes: Admon and Inventory at Bury Record Office

  Francis married Joan Marriot or Marret [54] [MRIN: 17] on 24 Jun 1624 in
      Cotton, Suffolk, England.

     The child from this marriage was:

  29 M     i. Francis Blake [53] was christened on 21 Sep 1625 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

24.  Thomas Blake [51] was christened on 13 Jan 1602 in Cotton, Suffolk,
       England.

  Thomas married Elizabeth [55] [MRIN: 18].

     Children from this marriage were:

  30 F     i. Elizabeth Blake [56] was christened on 23 Nov 1633 in Wickham
                   Skeith, Suffolk, England.
  31 F    ii. Jane Blake [57] was christened on 24 Feb 1634 in Wickham Skeith,
                   Suffolk, England.
  32 F   iii. Margaret Blake [58] was christened on 19 May 1639 in Wickham
                   Skeith, Suffolk, England.
  33 M    iv. John Blake [59] was christened in 1642 in Wickham Skeith,
                   Suffolk, England.
  34 F     v. Mary Blake [60] was christened on 1 Nov 1646 in Wickham Skeith,
                   Suffolk, England.

                   Ninth Generation (6th Great-Grandchildren)

26.  Andrew Blake [11] was christened on 26 Dec 1630 in Wickham Skeith,
       Suffolk, England and was buried on 22 Jan 1682 in Cotton, Suffolk,
       England.

General Notes: Assessed in the 1674 Hearth Tax on two hearths in Cotton

  Andrew married Mary Rodwell [12] [MRIN: 3] in 1660 in Badwell Ash, Suffolk,
      England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  35 F     i. Mary Blake [13] was christened on 7 Apr 1661 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.
  36 F    ii. Ann Blake [14] was christened on 4 Jan 1662 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  37 M   iii. William Blake [15] was christened on 9 Sep 1665 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  + 38 M    iv. Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.
  39 F     v. Elizabeth Blake [16] was christened on 10 Apr 1670 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  40 F    vi. Frances Blake [17] was christened on 7 Sep 1673 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  + 41 M   vii. Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  42 M  viii. Thomas Blake [19] was christened on 5 Nov 1682 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 12 Feb 1684 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

                   Tenth Generation (7th Great-Grandchildren)

38.  Andrew Blake [3] was christened on 23 Feb 1667 in Westhorpe, Suffolk,
       England.

General Notes: Farmer at baptism of Elizabeth

  Andrew married Elizabeth Hunt [4] [MRIN: 2] on 6 Oct 1696 in Cotton, Suffolk,
      England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  43 M     i. John Blake [7] was christened on 15 Jan 1698 in Wickham Skeith,
                   Suffolk, England.
  44 F    ii. Elizabeth Blake [5] was christened on 14 Mar 1700 in Wickham
                   Skeith, Suffolk, England and was buried on 8 Apr 1701 in
                   Cotton, Suffolk, England.
  45 F   iii. Elizabeth Blake [6] was christened on 21 May 1702 in Wickham
                   Skeith, Suffolk, England.
  46 M    iv. Andrew Blake [8] was christened on 1 May 1704 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  47 F     v. Mary Blake [9] was christened on 22 Mar 1705 in Cotton, Suffolk,
                   England.
  + 48 M    vi. Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  49 M   vii. Thomas Blake [10] was christened on 18 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 23 Jan 1709 in Cotton,
                   Suffolk, England.

41.  Richard Blake [18] was christened on 7 Apr 1678 in Cotton, Suffolk,
       England.

General Notes: Of Westhorpe at marriage to Anne Rose

Labourer at Children's baptisms

  Richard married Anne Rose [20] [MRIN: 4] on 12 Oct 1702 in Wyverstone,
      Suffolk, England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  50 F     i. Sarah Blake [21] was christened on 19 May 1704 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.
  51 F    ii. Ann Blake [22] was christened on 20 Dec 1705 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.
  52 M   iii. Richard Blake [23] was christened on 26 Mar 1710 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.
  53 F    iv. Mary Blake [24] was christened on 31 Jan 1713 in Westhorpe,
                   Suffolk, England.

                    11th Generation (8th Great-Grandchildren)

48.  Robert Blake [1] was christened on 30 Dec 1707 in Cotton, Suffolk, England
       and was buried on 19 Jun 1777 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.

General Notes: Of Bacton at Marriage to Susan Crosby

  Robert married Susan Crosby [2] [MRIN: 1] on 10 Nov 1725 in Beccles, Suffolk,
      England. Susan was born in Bacton, Suffolk, England and was buried on 26
      Aug 1767 in Bacton, Suffolk, England.

     Children from this marriage were:

  54 M     i. Robert Blake [80] was christened on 8 Dec 1727 in Bacton,
                   Suffolk, England.

       Robert married Diana [82] [MRIN: 24].
  55 M    ii. John Blake [81] was born in 1729.

       John married Sarah [88] [MRIN: 26].
  56 F   iii. Susannah Blake [78] was christened in Jan 1730 in Bacton,
                   Suffolk, England.
  57 M    iv. William Blake [79] was christened on 14 Jun 1734 in Bacton,
                   Suffolk, England and was buried on 15 Dec 1822 in Bacton,
                   Suffolk, England.

       William married Mary Roper [97] [MRIN: 28] in 1762 in Wyverstone,
           Suffolk, England.

       William next married Mary Lummis [101] [MRIN: 29] on 10 Jun 1771.

The ten most popular posts on my blog which commenced in November 2008. John Reid gave me the thought to do that as a blog post when I checked out Anglo-Celtic Roots this morning. The first post below is actually a list of the ten most popular posts at that time of writing almost a year and a half ago. The list at that time showed that most people were looking at my Blake blogs but these blogs listed below are principally material items. Lists of items that I have extracted from various documents that I hold plus one rather long story on the Rashleigh family of Devon and Cornwall. The H11 item gets viewed a lot because I have a search tool built into my H11 haplogroup study that will capture that particular article everytime someone looks at my H11 information and follows the search. The twos wills at the bottom are interesting. Johanne Pencombe's will was always a very interesting item which means that people researching Pincombe/Pinkham are looking at my blog. The other Blake will amongst hundreds of others that I have transcribed (and I will be getting back to that!) is a mystery as to why it gets looked at so often. But I suspect it is because there is a family tree on World Connect and it was a large family where some members went to Australia. The greatest percentage of Blake individuals per million in any country live in Australia.

My next blog on the Pincombe family will be very very interesting. I have come to some rather interesting thoughts with regard to my mother's family which stretches back to 1485 at North Molton, Devon but they came there from somewhere else with Lord de la Zouch and I think I may have found that somewhere else with rather a twist to it. More to come on that particular story and it involves a yDNA match between my 5th cousin in Australia and an individual who lives in Scandinavia and can trace his line there back into the 1700s thus far but doesn't think his line is early Scandinavian.


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52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 27

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Charles Cotterell is possibly one of my 4x great grandfathers (I decided to do this next set of seven "ancestors" just because it appears to fit into the father's line for my paternal grandmother (her mother is known but the father can only be guessed at). Kimpton is a very small village in Hampshire not far from Upper Clatford and Andover.

Charles married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough, Wiltshire. Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767 at Beechingstoke son of William Cotterell and Elizabeth Kempton who were themselves married 3 May 1760 at Wilsford near Pewsey. Elizabeth was baptized 27 Jun 1731 at Wilcot daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Kempton. William father of Charles was buried 5 Jan 1770 at Beechingstoke.

William and Elizabeth baptized three children at Beechingstoke:

William was baptized 24 May 1761
Charles was baptized 19 Jul 1767
Elizabeth was baptized (posthumously) 13 May 1770 and buried 6 Sep 1770 at Beechingstoke

Elizabeth Kempton married a second time to Robert Chandler 12 Jan 1773 at Beechingstoke. Charles would have been just six years old when his mother remarried and this family then appears at Woodborough where Elizabeth's second husband lives).

Charles Coterill married Mary Bartlett 31 Dec 1786 at Woodborough (location for Robert Chandler on the marriage registration). Charles their son was born 1786 at Woodborough according to the 1851 census. Charles, the father, is likely the Charles Cotterell buried at Fittleton 23 Sep 1810. The son  Charles married Hannah Alderman 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton and they baptized two children at Kimpton:

William baptized 12 Jun 1825; married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton
Mary baptized 2 Jun 1829; married Henry Chandler June quarter 1854 at Kimpton

William  Cotterill  married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and they had four children at Kimpton:

Jane born circa 1854, married Francis Ford mar quarter 1879 at Mere
Ann born circa 1855, married William Henry Fisher dec quarter 1878 Pewsey RD
George baptized 6 Mar 1859; married  twice, first Ann Matthews 28 Jun 1879 at Kimpton and Fanny Somner Dec quarter 1887 at Thanet, Kent.
Ellen was born circa 1869 

I did try to find a baptism for William Cotterell married to Elizabeth Kempton/Kimpton but will work on that again  as well as the baptism for their grandson Charles. Interesting the Cotterel family appears earlier in the Rawlings family as the eldest daughter of William Rawlins and Mary Ford married Stephen Cotterel 28 Jan 1764 at Enford. Woodford is only ten miles from Enford where the Rawlins family lived. Stephen was perhaps the son of William Cotterel and baptized 8 Jan 1738 at Wilsford near Pewsey (2.5 miles from Woodford and 8 miles from Enford).I did consider that this could have been significant in the naming of my grandmother but I think 100 years later that is unlikely especially given that the Lywood surname of her maternal grandmother would have likely been chosen. More on the Lywood family in a couple of months.


Ancestry of Charles Cotterell:

1. Charles COTTERILL (b 19 Jul 1767) - Beechingstoke Wiltshire England
2. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. Charles COTTERILL (b circa 1786) - Woodborough Wiltshire England
4. Charles COTTERELL (b 19 Jul 1767) - Beechingstoke Wiltshire England
5. William COTTERELL

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 20

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, unknown, Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, Durnford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterel, Bartlett, Alderman, Ann (unknown), Sherwood, unknown, Habberfield, Collings, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Canham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Joanna King has been known to me from early on in my research days. Joanna was baptized 6 Nov 1736 at Upper Clatford daughter of Thomas King and Mary Carter. She is one of my 4x great grandmothers and she married Joseph Blake 8 Jun 1757 at Upper Clatford. Joseph and Joanna baptized five children at Upper Clatford although the last child, my ancestor, Thomas, was born posthumously six months after the death of his father and his older brother Thomas.

The children of Joseph Blake and Joanna King all baptized at Upper Clatford:

Anne baptized 24 Sep 1758
Thomas baptized 29 Mar 1761 (born 24 Mar 1761), died 25 May 1767 and buried 29 May 1767
Mary baptized 5 Jun 1763 (died before 27 Apr 1792)
William baptized 2 Sep 1764
Thomas baptized 25 Oct 1767 (born 25 Oct 1767)

Thomas (baptized 25 Oct 1767) is my 3x great grandfather and he married Sarah Coleman  10 Jun 1792 at Upper Clatford. Thomas and Sarah had ten children with my ancestor being John Blake who was baptized 25 Feb 1799 at Upper Clatford. John married Ann Farmer 4 Sep 1823 at St Mary Andover and they had nine children with their youngest son Edward being my great grandfather. Edward was born 2 Jan 1845 at Upper Clatford and he married Maria Jane Knight 29 Oct 1870 at Upper Clatford. They had twelve children and my grandfather was their third child and second son - Samuel George was born 10 Feb 1875 at Upper Clatford. Just to bring that closer to the present.

Going back to Joanna she was one of three children. Her parents were Thomas King and Mary Carter who married 10 Jan 1728 at Upper Clatford. I have transcribed the CMBs at Upper Clatford and the Carter family records are as follows:

Baptisms
Cartar    Susana    daughter    Cartar    Henery            1655    June    16   
Cart__    Mary    daughter    Cart__    William            1675                   

Cartar    William    son    Cartar    William        Jane    1676    December    13           
Cartar    John    son    Cartar    William        Jone    1678    September    29           
Cartar    Thomas    son    Carter    William        Jane    1680    April    7           
Cartar    Elizabeth    daughter    Cartar    Thomas            1684    February    16           
Carter    Susana    daughter    Carter    Thomas        Susana    1640    October    11           
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Thomas            1643    May    21           
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Hendree        Elizabeth    1653    December    22           Carter    Peetar    son    Carter    Mickaele            1654    January    16        
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Thomas        Mary    1666    February    6           
Carter    John    son    Carter    John            1667    September    3           
Carter    John    son    Carter    Thomas        Elizabeth                1704    January    7
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    John        Jane                1706    November    8
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    John        Jane                1708    March    5
Carter    John    son    Carter    John        Jane    1714    October    4           
Carter    Johnothan    son    Carter    John        Jane                1718    January    4
Carter    William    son    Carter    John        Jane    1719    January    15           
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    John        Jane    1722    September    15           

Since Thomas King and Mary Carter married in 1728 I would likely be interested in the Mary who was baptized 8 Nov 1706 as a possible candidate for this marriage. She was the daughter of John and Jane Carter and they baptized six children at Upper Clatford between 1706 and 1722.

Marriages
Carter    Thomas        Golde    Susana                    1639    November    25       
Carter    Henry    B___n    Hollis    Katherine    Upper Clatford                1652    January    9       
Carter    John        Turner    Ann                    1706    November    6        both strangers
Carter    Thomas    Goodworth Clatford    Holdway    Ann    Upper Clatford                1730    September    29        Banns

Bendall    John        Carter    Sarah                    1702    August    1
Harding    Thomas        Carter    Sarah                    1729    October    16
Hyde    Joseph        Carter    Susanna                    1695    September    30
King    Thomas    Upper Clatford    Carter    Mary    Upper Clatford                1728    June    10
Pearce    Richard    Small Cross    Carter    Elizabeth    Upper Clatford                1732    July    18

Burials
Carter    Susan    daughter    Carter    Thomas        Susan    1650    March    29   
Carter    Susanna    wife    Carter    Henry             1669    September    17    ealder
Carter    Stephen    son    Carter    Thomas            1669    March    23   
Carter    Mary    wife    Carter    Richard            1670    September    29   
Carter    Thomas                        1698    May    28    senior, died May 21
Carter    Martha Ann                        1698    December    25    died December 23
Carter    John    son    Carter    Thomas        Elizabeth    1704    January    22   
Carter    William    son    Carter    John            1705    October    8   
Carter    Jane    girl                    1706    April    8   
Carter    John                        1713    October    10   
Carter    Elizabeth                        1714    October    11   
Carter    William                        1721    April    10   
Carter    Jane                        172?    October    16       
Carter    Elizabeth    wife    Carter    Thomas            1728    April    8   
Carter    John                        1732    March    29   
Carter    Thomas                        1732    January    15   
Carter    Thomas                        1733    November    3   
Carter    William                        1743    September    22    batchelor
Carter    Elizabeth    widow                    1760    January    25   
Cartter    Jone                        1709    July    19       

The records indicate that this Mary did not appear to die as an infant. John and Jane Carter did not marry at Upper Clatford.

As it turns out I have also trasncribed the parish registers of Andover up to the late 1750s and their Carter records are as follows:

Baptisms
Carter    Joan    daughter    Carter    Phillip            1593    October    18               
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Richard            1603    January    29               
Carter    John    son    Carter    John            1611    September    22               
Carter    Gyles    son    Carter    Gyles            1654    February    12    1654    February    12   
Carter    Robert    son    Carter    Gyles            1664    March    14                Charlton
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Richard            1676    July    3               
Carter    John    son    Carter    Richard            1678    May    12               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Giles            1679    February    10               
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Gyles            1681    October    25                of Charlton was baptized the 25th October at Knights Enham
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    Giles        Margery    1684    November    26               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    James        Martha    1690    September    14                of Kings Enham
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Richard        Mary    1685    October    12               
Carter    Margery    daughter    Carter    Gyles        Margery    1686    January    29                of Charlton
Carter    Gyles    son    Carter    Gyles        Margery    1688    October    10               
Carter    Mary    bastard daughter            Carter    Mary    1688    February    6               
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Thomas        Elizabeth    1691    April    8                of Charlton
Carter    Mary    bastard daughter            Carter    Mary    1692    April    2               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Robert        Martha    1692    May    25               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Thomas        Elizabeth    1692    December    30                of Charlton
Carter    Katherine    daughter    Carter    Robert        Martha    1695    November    27               
Carter    William                Carter    Mary    1696    September    21               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Mr. Robert        Martha    1701    March    18               
Carter    Ann    daughter    Carter    Edmond        Ann    1702    April    8               
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1702    April    22               
Carter    John    son    Carter    Giles        Abigaill    1702    December    20               
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1703    May    21               
Carter    Jane    daughter    Carter    Giles        Abigaill    1704    May    10               
Carter    Edmond    son    Carter    Edmon        Ann    1704    July    30               
Carter    Richard    son    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1704    December    13               
Carter    John    son    Carter    Giles        Abigaill    1706    February    5               
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1707    June    15                of Charlton
Carter    Josiah    son    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1708    December    21                of Charlton
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Giles        Abigaill    1709    November    28               
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1711    February    27      of Charlton
Carter    Anne    daughter    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1713    November    18               
Carter    Giles    son    Carter    Giles            1715    April    5                of Charlton
Carter    Thomas    son    Carter    Thomas            1715    October    9                of Charlton
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    Giles        Sarah    1716    October    10                of Charlton
Carter    John    son    Carter    Richard        Elizabeth    1717    April    26               
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Giles        Sarah    1718    October    15               
Carter    William    son    Carter    William        Elizabeth    1722    November    9               
Carter    Richard    son    Carter    William        Elizabeth    1724    July    29               
Carter    Edward    son            Carter    Elizabeth    1726    May    11               
Carter    Edward Barns    bastard son            Carter    Elizabeth    1728    February    23              Carter    thomas    son    Carter    thomas        elizabeth    1733    October    5            
Carter    Josiah    son    Carter    Joseph        Ann    1750    August    6               
Carter    Charles    son    Carter    Joseph        Ann    1756    September    21           
Carter    Richard    son    Carter    Joseph        Ann    1756    September    21           
Carter    William    son    Carter    Joseph        Ann    1756    September    21           
Cartere    Abigall    daughter    Cartere    Henry        Elizabeth    1707    September    17               Cartor    Richard    son    Cartor    Gyle            1656    March    16    1656    March    16    Charlton
Cartor    Mary    daughter    Cartor    Gyles            1661    December    18                Charlton
Cartor    John    son    Cartor    Gyles            1663    November    14               
Cartor    William    son    Cartor    Gyles            1667    March    17               
Cartor    Ann    daughter    Cartor    Gyles            1670    October    17               
Cartor    Anne    daughter    Cartor    Gyles            1683    September    5               
Cartor    Lucy    daughter    Cartor    John            1683    December    6                of Charlton

Marriages
Carter    Philip        Cornelious    Joyce                1592    January    22  
Carter    John        King    Joane                1608    May    22  
Carter    Gyles        Pinchin    Mary                1654    May    30  
Carter    Francis        Gyat    Joan                1682    October    1    by license
Carter    Edmond        Monk    Ann                1700    September    8  
Carter    Richard        Musprett    Elizabeth                1701    August    4  
Carter    Giles        Shepheard    Abigaill                1701    October    6  
Carter    John    Upper Clatford    Wods    Jone                1704    April    16  
Carter    John        Spring    Anne                1713    October    8  
Carter    Thomas        Styles    Elizabeth                1714    September    30  
Carter    John    Hamworthy, Dorset    Chater    Hannah                1715    September    4   at Foxcott
Carter    Thomas        Sharp    Ann                1729    July    15  
Carter    Josiah        White    Elizabeth                1731    April    18  
Carter    Edmund        Drew    Mary                1731    October    14  
Carter    Joseph        Piper    Elizabeth                1731    November    8  
Carter    Thomas        Eatin    Elizabeth                1732    September    21  
Carter    Joseph        Wheatland    Ann                1747    August    3  

Andrews    William        Carter    Mary                1712    January    1   
Broad    Charles        Carter    Elizabeth                1718    February    10   
Colebrook    William        Carter    Elizabeth                1723    May    26   
Dawly    Hugh    Christchurch, London    Carter    Mary    Charlton            1712    August    24   
Green    Hugh        Carter    Mary                1729    September    28   
Houldway    William    St Mary Bourne    Carter    Alse    St Mary Bourne            1653    May    7   
Houldway    William        Carter    Alse                1653    May    7   
Neal    Mr. William        Carter    Katharine                1719    August    25    married at Foxcott
Pickernel    Edward        Carter    Abigaill                1716    September    30   
Ratty    Edmund    St Mary Bourne    Carter    Jone    St Mary Bourn            1686    November    16   
Tarrant    George        Carter    Sarah                1727    August    24   
Woodstock    Edmond        Carter    Elizabeth                1708    June    24   

Burials
Carter        daughter    Carter    Andrew            1588    April    1  
Carter    Mary    wife    Carter    Gyles            1653    March    3    of Charlton
Carter    Giles                        1680    August    2    senior of Charlton, woollen,
Carter    Elizabeth    wife    Carter    John            1681    November    3    of Charlton at Skinners
Carter    Lucy    daughter    Carter    John            1684    August    26    of Charlton
Carter    Richard                        1684    October    8    woollen
Carter    Mary    bastard daughter            Carter    Mary    1688    February    4    woollen
Carter        infant    Carter    Gyles            1689    January    22    woollen
Carter    Margery    wife    Carter    Giles            1690    September    15    of Charlton, woollen
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Robert            1692    February    17    woollen
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Mr. Henry            1695    January    7    woollen
Carter    Margery    daughter    Carter    Giles            1696    October    15    of Charltonwoollen
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    Giles            1700    June    13    woollen
Carter    Mary    widow                    1702    December    17    of Charlton, woollen
Carter    John    son    Carter    Giles            1702    December    26    woollen
Carter    Thomas                        1705    February    25    woollen
Carter    Richard                        1707    September    19    woollen
Carter    Giles                        1710    November    23    woollen
Carter    Ane    wife    Carter    John            1710    February    28    woollen
Carter    Mary    daughter    Carter    Giles            1711    July    30    of Charlton, woollen
Carter    Thomas                        1714    August    27    woollen
Carter    Anne    daughter    Carter    Richard            1714    November    14    woollen
Carter    Thomas                        1715    July    30    woollen, of Charleton
Carter    Giles    son    Carter    Giles            1715    November    26    woollen, of Charleton
Carter    John                        1715    January    10    woollen
Carter    Sarah    daughter    Carter    Giles            1717    September    5    woollen
Carter    Elizabeth    daughter    Carter    Giles            1719    March    21    woollen
Carter    William    son    Carter    William            1722    January    8    woollen
Carter    Mary                        1725    May    29    woollen, widow
Carter    Anne                        1726    August    17    woollen
Carter    Elizabeth    wife    CarterWilliam                1727    September    9  
Carter    William                        1729    November    16  
Carter    Giles                        1732    May    23  
Carter    Elizabeth    wife    Carter    Josiah            1733    June    24  
Carter    John                        1733    July    11  
Carter    Sarah    wife    Carter    Gyles            1742    June    20  
Carter    Hannah                        1744    December    13  
Carter    Richard                        1744    February    19  
Carter    Joseph                        1749    July    19  
Carter    Thomas                        1749    November    27  
Carter    Jonathan                        1752    March    8  
Carter    Ann                        1753    February    21  
Carter    John                        1757    October    16  

John Carter of Upper Clatford married Jane Woods 16 April l704 at Andover. This is the likely parents of Mary Carter who married Thomas King in 1728 at Upper Clatford and were the parents of Joanna King. There is another Mary Carter daughter of Richard Carter and Elizabeth Musprett of Andover (married 4 Aug 1701 with two daughters Mary 1711 and Ann 1713. Anne is likely the daughter of Richard Carter who was buried 14 Nov 1714. This is interesting because I have another Carter marriage of interest and that manages to become part of this story because the husband of Joanna King was Joseph Blake son of Thomas Blake and Ann Carter and they married 8 Dec 1728 at Penton Mewsey. There is another Ann baptized at Andover: Ann daughter of Edmond and Ann Carter baptized 8 Apr 1702.    The reason I think about these families together is the marriage of Joseph Blake of Andover and Joanna King of Upper Clatford. Were they related through their mothers both Carters? Edmond Carter is a bit of an unknown but did marry at Andover (Edmond Carter married Ann Monk 8 Sep 1700 ).

The next item of interest that links families is the will of John Blake, malster at Abbots Ann (blogged: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2013/04/king-family-of-upper-clatford-and-area.html ). All of these places are close to Andover (i.e. within a mile or two). John in his will mentions many Blake family members including my 3x great grandfather Thomas at Upper Clatford, his brother William at Andover, his sister Anne who is likely keeping house for him at Abbots Ann. John Blake married Mary King 15 Dec 1753 at Upper Clatford and it is the will of Thomas King (blogged: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2011/01/thomas-king-and-joseph-blake.html ) that now helps looking at these families. Thomas mentions the daughter of John Blake and Mary King at Abbots Ann and he also mentions his son in law Joseph Blake. Although I am unable to find a baptism for Mary at Upper Clatford or Andover, the coincidence of mentioning the children in the will of John Blake and Thomas King tend to make me believe that Mary King and Joanna King were sisters who both married Blake men. However, I do not think these Blake men are closely related but rather the relationship is likely quite distant with a common ancestor of Richard Blake who died in 1522. My suspicion is that Mary Carter (wife of Thomas King) is the daughter of John Carter and Jane Woods. Jane was living at Andover likely at the time of her marriage to John and possibly her first child (Mary King) was born there. The two younger sisters of Mary King (Elizabeth who died young in 1735) and Joanna baptized 1736 were both baptized at Upper Clatford. This would make John Blake an uncle through marriage to my Thomas Blake of Upper Clatford.

So was Edmund Carter related to John Carter? Was it the Carter line that brought these two lines together since the Blake lines coming together is quite ancient? Although I have blogged earlier that both Mary Carter and Ann Carter were sisters and daughters of Richard Carter and Elizabeth Musprett I now believe that to be incorrect as I missed the burial of their daughter Anne at Andover and the baptism of Mary at Upper Clatford.

Jane Wood was baptized 26 May 1684 daughter of Edward and Mary Wood at Andover along with her four other siblings. There isn't a marriage for Edward and Mary at Andover. John Carter was said to be of Upper Clatford and there are two John Carter/Cartar baptized at Upper Clatford:

John son of William and Jone 29 Sep 1678

John son of John 3 Sep 1667

There are no William or John Carter marriages at Upper Clatford in this time period. But there is a marriage of John Carter and Anne Spring 8 Oct 1713 at Andover. Interestingly the grandfather of Joseph Blake was Thomas Blake who married Mary Spring 6 Nov 1708 at Andover. Although there doesn't have to be this familial linkage between the families the coincidence of the Carter families and the Blake families does make me look at this possibility. I have traced the Spring family at Andover and Mary does not have a sister Anne. There is a marrage between John Carter and Ann Turner 6 Nov 1706 at Upper Clatford. There aren't any children baptized at Upper Clatford for this couple. Ane wife of John Carter is buried at Andover 28 Feb 1710. There is a John Carter buried 10 Jan 1715 also at Andover. John and Jane Carter do name a son John and a son William!

I knew there was a problem earlier with having Anne and Mary sisters and daughters of Richard Carter and Elizabeth Musprett but I am surprised by the direction my research has taken. I have moved away entirely from Richard Carter and Elizabeth Musprett as the parents of Mary Carter who married Thomas King at Upper Clatford. It fits better given that John Carter was of Upper Clatford when he married Jane Woods at Andover. No new information on Edmund Carter but will keep an eye out for that in the future.

My intent was to look more closely at the King family and I became somewhat distracted by the Carter families.

Thomas King was buried 10 Oct 1762 at Upper Clatford (his wife Mary was buried 13 Apr 1744 at Upper Clatford). I know that Thomas was a farmer at Upper Clatford.  But I am not sure of his parentage.

Marriages at Upper Clatford
Kinge    John        Irish    Agnis                    1577    July    8       
Kinge    John        Sweetaple    Joane                    1578    November    26       
Kinge    John        Milles    Marie                    1588    November    24       
Kinge    Stephen        Poore    Joane                    1591    August    7       
Kinge    Thomas        Nuell    Margarite                    1592    October    1       
Kinge    John        Harrell    Elizabeth                    1602    November    8       
Kinge    William        Grene    Margerie                    1603    October    16       
Kinge    Nicholas        Newell    Mary                    1634    December    1       
Kinge    Robart        Leach    Joan                    1635    August    20       
Kinge    Stephan        Walldron    Sarah                    1643    June    5       
Kinge    Steven        Spring    Alcs                    1661    April           
King    Jonathan        Silveste    Joane                    1671    May    27       
King    Robert    Whichurch    Lock    Alice    Upper Clatford                1725    September    5       
King    Thomas    Upper Clatford    Carter    Mary    Upper Clatford           1728    June    10   

Baptisms at Upper Clatford
King    Edward    son    Kinge    William            1571    July    28               
King    John    son    Kinge    John            1581    March    12                the miller
King    William    son    King    William            1614    September    21                born St Matthews Day
King    Mathias    daughter    King    William            1620    April    23               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    William            1634    May    25               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    William            1635    February    1               
King    Nicholas    son    King    Nicholas        Mary    1641    December    4               
King    Margaret    baseborn daughter            King    Katharine    1642    April    29               
King    John    son    King    Robert        Jone    1642    August    14               
King    Roberte    son    King    Robert        Jone    1643    February    29               
King    John    son    King    Robart        Jone                1646    September    15   
King    Jonathan    son    King    Thomas        Margaret    1646    February    8               
King    An    daughter    King    William        Elizabeth    1647    September    26               
King    Stephen    son    King    Stephen        Sara    1648    December    7               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Nicolas        Mary    1648    January    17               
King    James    son    King    Robert        Jone    1649    November    7               
King    James    son    King    James        Elizabeth    1650    March    27               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    William        Elizabeth    1651    September    16               
King    William    son    King    Robert        Jone    1652    July    10               
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas        Margaret    1652    October    24               
King    Mary    daughter    King    James        Elizabeth    1653    October    19               
King    Isacke    son    King    Steeven        Sarye    1653    December    22               
King    William    son    King    William        Elizabeth    1654    May    9               
King    William    son    King    Thomas        Margarit    1655    December    10               
King    James    son    King    James        Elizabeth    1657    April    7               
King    John    son    King    William            1660    May    17               
King    Thomas    son    King    James            1660    October    10               
King    John    son    King    Stephen            1663    November    15               
King    Johanna    daughter    King    Jonathan        Joane    1672    April    24               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    William            1682    January    7               
King    Ann    daughter    King    Steeven        Ann    1684    January    29               
King    Abigall    daughter    King    Thomas            1685    November    10               
King    Sarah    daughter    King    John            1685    November    16               
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas        Abigall    1688    February    28               
King    Jonathan    son    King    Thomas        Abegal    1693    November    29               
King    Ann    daughter    King    John        Sarah    1695    July    5    1695    July    1   
King    John    son    King    James        Sarah    1696    March    4    1696    February    20   
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    John        Sarah    1698    January    4    1698    January    4   
King    Abigall    daughter    King    John        Abigaill    1701    January    20    1701    January    20   
King    Sarah    daughter    King    John        Sarah                1705    April    15   
King    ___eph:    son    King    John        Sarah    1706    March    17    1705    March    17   
King    Isacke    son    King    John        Sarah    1709    May    13               
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Thomas        Mary    1735    June    8               
King    Joanna    daughter    King    Thomas        Mary    1736    November    6               
King    John    son    King    John        Mary    1743    June    19                Rooksberry
Kinge    Elizabeth    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1572    March    15               
Kinge    Eliner    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1577    August    30               
Kinge    Roberte    son    Kinge    John            1579    March    16                of the mill, New Style
Kinge    William    son    Kinge    John            1579    December    16                senior
Kinge    Mawde    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1580    September    30               
Kinge    Alice    daughter    Kinge    John            1582    March    1                senior, New Style
Kinge    Richard    son    Kinge    John            1584    February    19                New Style, senior
Kinge    Thomas    son    Kinge    Nicholas            1585    April    18               
Kinge    Thomas    son    Kinge    John            1586    March    13                senior, New Style
Kinge    Nicolas    son    Kinge    John            1589    September    3                the younger senior
Kinge    William    son    Kinge    John            1590    April    8                senior senior
Kinge    William    son    Kinge    John            1590    December    21               
Kinge    Alice    daughter    Kinge    Stephen            1592    September    16               
Kinge    Andrew    son    Kinge    John            1594    March    6                elder, New Style
Kinge    Elner    daughter    Kinge    John            1594    March    24                junior, New Style
Kinge    Agnes    daughter    Kinge    George            1595    July    16               
Kinge    George    son    Kinge    Thomas            1595    August    27               
Kinge    Joane    daughter    Kinge    John            1596    December    24                ild
Kinge    Joane    daughter    Kinge    George            1597    September    2               
Kinge    Mary    daughter    Kinge    Thomas            1598    October    18               
Kinge    Elizabeth    daughter    Kinge    John            1599    October    3               
Kinge    Rose    daughter    Kinge    Thomas            1601    March    29               
Kinge    John    son    Kinge    John            1602    February    4                New Style
Kinge    Mawdline    daughter    Kinge    Thomas            1603    November    6               
Kinge    Elizabeth    daughter    Kinge    John            1603    December    16               
Kinge    Nicholas    son    Kinge    John            1604    January    25               
Kinge    William    son    Kinge    William            1605    March    4               
Kinge    Roberd    son    Kinge    John            1605    November    12                wd, New Style
Kinge    Margaret    daughter    Kinge    John            1606    April    25                the elder
Kinge    Stephen    son    Kinge    John            1614    April    3                the younger
Kinge    Abigaell    daughter    Kinge    Richard            1616    September    1               
Kinge    Katherine    daughter    Kinge    William            1617    June    1                William is the son of John Kinge the elder, shepherd
Kinge    Joane    daughter    Kinge    John            1617    March    15                the younger
Kinge    Mary    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1636    April    16               
Kinge    Joan    daughter    Kinge    Robert            1636    June    18               
Kinge    Nicholas    son    Kinge    Nicholas            1637    November    26               
Kinge    Mary    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1644    March                    cease
Kinge    Agnes    daughter    Kinge    James        Elizabeth    1654    February    1               
Kinge    John    son    Kinge    William        Elizabeth    1656    December    15               
Kinge    John    son    Kinge    Steeven            1657    March    19               

Burials at Upper Clatford
King    William                        1594    January    22    the elder, New Style
King    Joane    daughter    Kinge    George            1604    July    17   
King    Mary    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas        Mary    1638    September    9   
King    Elizabeth    wife    Kinge    John            1638    November    15   
King    Joan    wife    Kinge    Roberte            1639    August    7   
King    Nicholas    son    Kinge    Nicholas            1639    September    14   
King    John    son    King    Roberte        Jane    1642    August    17   
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas            1642    October    11   
King        wife    Kinge    William            1642    January    10    New Style
King        baseborn            King    Katherine    1648    May    22   
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Stephen        Sarah    1651    April    24   
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Stephen        Sarah    1652    October    1   
King    James    son    Kinge    Jams        Elizabeth    1653    June    4   
King    Mary    daughter    Kinge    Jams        Elizabeth    1653    November    11   
King    Elizabeth    wife    Kinge    William            1655    April    8   
King    John                        1656    May    4    senior
King    John    son    Kinge    William            1656    January    5    _der
King    William    son    Kinge    Thomas        Margrit    1658    August    19   
King    Jams                        1660    May    20   
King    Sary    wife    Kinge    Steven            1660    November    2   
King    William    son    Kinge    William            1662    March    15   
King    Robert                        1666    October    1   
King    Joane    wife    Kinge    Nicholas            1666    January    14   
King    Sarah    daughter    Kinge    Stephen            1666    January    23   
King    Nicholas                        1669    March    21   
King    Jonathan    son    Kinge    Thomas            1671    November    18   
King    Stephen                        1672    October    7    junior
King    Mary    widow                    1673    November    2   
King    Thomas    son    Kinge    Thomas        Abigell    1695    August    26   
King    Jonathan    son    Kinge    Thomas            1695    February    22   
King    Thomas                        1699    March    9    senior, died March 7
King    Ann    daughter    Kinge    John        Sarah    1699    March    14    died March 12
King    Sarah                        1702    October    24    junior
King    Elizabeth                        1700    June    4    junior
King    Thomas                        1703    September    10   
King    Sara    child            King    Sarah    1704    April    29   
King    Sarah                        1704    April    29   
King    Sarah    daughter    King    John            1705    April    24   
King    Isaac    child    Kinge    John        Sarah    1710    January    30   
King    Sarah                        1715    December    25   
King    Abigal                        1726    February    28   
King    John                        1731    January    8   
King    Stephen                        1732    March    2   
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Thomas            1735    August    20   
King    Thomas                        1740    March    29   
King    William                        1741    November    18   
King    Mary    wife    King    Thomas            1744    April    13   
King    John                        1750    December    21    of Rockesbury (Rockway), miller
King    Thomas    widower                    1762    October    10   
King    Daniel                        1799    October    27   
Kinge    Edwarde    son    Kinge    William            1571    August    28   
Kinge    Margarite    widow                    1577    June    7   
Kinge    Maud    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1580    November    1   
Kinge    William    son    Kinge    John            1584    July    22    senior
Kinge    Thomas    son    Kinge    Nicholas            1586    July    19   
Kinge    Ellin    daughter    Kinge    Nicholas            1586    July    20   
Kinge    Nicholas                        1588    March    8    New Style
Kinge    Roberte    son    Kinge    William            1589    May    21    miller
Kinge    Nicholas    son    Kinge    John            1589    November    21    the younger senior
Kinge    William                        1590    July    15    miller
Kinge    Richard    son    Kinge    George            1592    December    3   
Kinge    John                        1601    September    5   
Kinge    John    son    Kinge    John            1602    May    8   
Kinge    Elizabeth    daughter    Kinge    William            1635    February    6    New Style
Kinge    Anne    widow                    1638    January    14    New Style
Kinge    Ann    daughter    Kinge    William        Anis    1640    February    7    New Style
Kinge    Jonathan    son    Kinge    William        Anis    1640    February    16    New Style
Kinge    William                        1660    August    28    senior


Marriages at Andover
King    Robert        Fielder    Francis                1655    December    8    
King    John        Morell    Sarah                1676    January    16
King    Richard    East Cholderton    Smith    Anis    East Cholderton            1684    June    15   
King    Thomas    Stockbridge    Humber    Eloner    King Somborn            1705    December    30
King    Thomas    Cholderton, Amport    Atkins    Jane    Cholderton, Amport          1721    May    2
King    John    Upper Clatford    Hyde    Frances                1725    December    4   
King    John        Munday    Frances                1743    March    15   

Baptisms at Andover
King    Jonathan    son    King    Thomas            1646    February    9              
King    Robert    son    King    Robert            1656    August        1656    August        Woodhouse
King    Isaacke    son    King    John            1677    December    6              
King    Abigail    daughter    King    Isaac            1679    March    10              
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Isaac            1682    July                  
King    Sarah    daughter    King    Isaac            1683    March     16              
King    Abigaile    daughter    King    Isaac        Abigaile    1686    May    5              
King    Thomas    son    King    Isaach            1691    April    4              
King    Stephen    son            King    Sarah    1694    May    10              
King    Mary    daughter    King    Isaach            1698    October    28    1698    February    26  
King    Mary    daughter    King    Thomas        Mary    1704    January    14             
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas        Mary    1706    December    15             
King    John    son    King    Isaac        Abigaill    1711    November    21                junior
King    Mary    daughter    King    Isaac        Abigaill    1713    March    3                junior
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Thomas            1715    September    14             
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Isaac        Abigail    1717    March    27              
King    John    son    King    Mr. Isaac        Abigail    1719    November    12              
King    Rebecca    daughter    King    Thomas        Joanna    1720    April    27             
King    Isaac    son    King    Mr. Isaac        Abigail    1722    January    15              
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas        Joanna    1726    January    27              
King    Isaac    son    King    Thomas        Hannah    1728    January    8              
King    Hannah    daughter    King    Stephen        Hannah    1733    April    3              
King    Stephen    son    King    Stephen        Hannah    1735    January    13              
King    Mary    daughter    King    Stephen        Hannah    1738    August    2              
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Stephen        Hannah    1741    April    21              
King    Sarah    daughter    King    John        Mary    1748    April    27              
Kinge    Margerye    daughter    Kinge    John            1612    February    2              
Kinge    John    son    Kinge    John            1619    September    19              

Burials at Andover
King    Mary    daughter    King    John            1642    January    17   
King    John                        1645    May    12    senior
King    Mary    wife    King    John            1676    September    7   
King    Isaac    son    King    Isaac            1680    July    2    woollen, 60M67-4-1, 2,6
King    Abigaill    daughter    Kinge    Isaac            1681    October    13    woollen
King    Abigaill    daughter    King    Isaac            1686    November    2    woollen
King    Mary    daughter    King    Thomas            1704    January    19    woollen
King    Sarah    wife    King    John            1705    August    21    woollen
King    John                        1706    January    14    woollen
King    Mary    wife    King    Thomas            1710    July    28    woollen
King    John    son    King    Isaac            1714    December    15    woollen
King    Jane    wife    King    Thomas            1715    October    8    woollen
King    Rebecca                        1719    May    6    woollen
King    Richard                        1719    May    20    woollen
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas            1728    December    15   
King    Thomas    son    King    Thomas            1728    December    22   
King    Elizabeth    daughter    King    Mr. Isaac            1733    February    5   
King    Peggy    daughter    King    Thomas            1734    August    9   
King    Mr. John                        1746    November    8   
Kinge    John                        1586    March    18   
Kinge    Joan                        1587    April    25   
Kinge        daughter    Kinge    Thomas            1589    April    23   
Kinge    Elizabeth                        1589    May    21   
Kinge        daughter    Kinge    Thomas            1615    May    3   
Kinge    Martton                        1625    April    27    of Charlton
Kinge    Thomas                        1630    January    4   
Kinge    …..h    son    Kinge    Richard            1640    May    8   

Family Search gives me the following:

Thomas King baptized 15 Dec 1706 at Andover son of Thomas and Mary King
Thomas King baptized 29 Jan 1684 at Vernham's Dean son of Thomas King


Thomas King baptized 25 May 1696 at Broughton son of Thomas and Rachel King
Thomas King baptized 1705 Kingsclere son of Thomas and Dorothy King

Thomas King baptized 4 Apr 1691 at Andover son of Isaach King

I would tend to eliminate Rachel and Dorothy as mothers since the daughters were named Mary, Elizabeth and Joanna. Thomas King at Andover married to Mary is rather interesting as they name a daughter Mary, they have a son Thomas born in 1706,  his second wife is Joanna. Could he be my 5x great grandfather Thomas King? As one can see the King family at Upper Clatford is very large - larger than the King family at Andover which is a larger place.

There is one other piece of information that could one day help me to determine the parents of Thomas King and that is the Manor Books. Thomas was farming at Upper Clatford. He left everything to Joseph Blake in his will. Joseph died just five years later and about fourteen years after that Joanna (King) Blake married (4 Jun 1781 at Upper Clatford) another farmer Thomas Collins (his wife had died in 1779). Joanna was buried 2 Jan 1792 at Upper Clatford five months before her son Thomas married Sarah Coleman.

Ancestry of Joanna King


1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Samuel George Blake (b 10 Feb 1875) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
4. Edward Blake (b 2 Jan 1845) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
5. John BLAKE (b 25 Feb 1799) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
6. Thomas BLAKE (b 25 Oct 1767) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
7. Joanna KING (b 6 Nov 1736) - Upper Clatford Hampshire England
8. Thomas KING

An interesting search into the King family. Still no further ahead with the parents of Thomas King but certainly some interesting information for the Carter family.

I spotted one of my correspondents on the Pincombe-Pinkham one name study from the early days when I first took on the study. He sent me his material on his Pincombe line out of Devon and living in London since the 1700s. He has tested his autosomal DNA but we do not match. However our link would be quite distant so not surprising.

But that conversation reminded me that I had not written up a rather interesting DNA story dealing with the Pincombe family of Australia. My fifth cousin (descendant of the brother of my 3x great grandfather Robert, William) tested his yDNA years ago but has never joined my Pincombe one name study at FT DNA but he did put his results up on ySearch which is where I found them. About six months ago I received an email from a researcher who lives in Sweden and can trace his family line back to the early 1700s and he wrote asking if a Pincombe had ever gone to Sweden from Devon of whom I was aware as he was matching my fifth cousin in Australia. His furtherest back ancestor was named as if the "son of Peter" and that rather twinked a memory. Peter Pincombe was a son of William Pincombe who left his will in 1602 (probated in 1605) where he mentions his son Simon as having been in "foreign parts" at the time of the writing of the will. He also had a son Peter. Indeed he had seven sons and I am descendant of the fourth son Richard. William lived at East Buckland and his father Thomas had also lived at East Buckland and earlier at Filleigh. These places all being quite close to North Molton in Devon. It is known from the Visitation of Devon that unknown Pincombe came to North Devon around 1485 with Lord Zouch. Lord Zouch had been attainted for supporting Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field and I have rather hypothesized that unknown Pincombe had been some sort of retainer/supporter of Lord Zouch and they had all disappeared in the wilds of Devon Exmoor to escape the wrath of the Tudor King Henry VII! No support for that theory except that they are there.

Thomas Pencombe and Johanne (unknown) had three sons William, Richard and John and two daughters Alice married to John Locke one unnamed but married to John Jasse/Jesse. This Thomas is listed in the visitation as a son of the unknown Pincombe along with a brother John and an unknown brother. They also had a sister Margret who married Phillip Kingdon. The unknown brother is possibly William Pincombe who was buried 13 Sep 1564 at North Molton (married to Elizabeth who was buried 18 Feb 1653 at North Molton) and the father of Agnes, Mary and William. More information on this line but it descends through George Pincombe who lived at North Molton.

So a rather interesting story of a Pincombe line in Sweden which we are looking at and more to follow. Would love to have more Pincombe/Pinkham males test to prove this connection!

Life has been incredibly busy and must apologize to any readers of the Blake Newsletter. I hope to have it up by the weekend.

Blake Newsletter
Table of Contents
1.    Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
2.    Galway Blake family
3.    Cornwall Blake Family
4.    Blake yDNA study

Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk
I was sent a rather interesting five page document on the Blake family at Bacton, Suffolk, England which had been prepared by a researcher for another member of a society to which I belong. She decided to pass it on to me for my use. I entered all the material into Legacy checking against Family Search records, Find My Past and Ancestry since I do not live in Suffolk and could not check the Record Office. I did check the information online at the Record Office. Once completed I extracted a text file of the descendants of the furtherest back Blake member and put that into my blog noting that an earlier research had done the work but unable to name the earlier researcher:
http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/07/a-suffolk-blake-family-at-bacton.html

Galway Blake Family
I completed the project of extracting all the information from Michael Joseph Blake’s two volume set on the Blake Family of Ireland from 1300 to 1600 and 1600 to 1900. His genealogical tabulated information was extensive and he also included many many early documents that he held the originals plus he also went into the Court House in Dublin and extracted information as needed. What a most fortunate publication for the Blake family in Ireland as the Dublin Fire of 1922 destroyed many of the early records of Ireland. I have now extracted the census information for the Blake families in Ireland and will also begin to extract the CMB information that has now come online. Eventually I plan to produce a gedcom which I will put up on WorldConnect.

Cornwall Blake Family
The work on the Cornwall Blake family continues and I am working on the parishes that are 25 miles from Bodmin. When these are complete there will just be a couple of dozen parishes left in Cornwall with Blake records. I am about one third of the way through those parishes. I am able to see Blake families for a number of generations emerging as I extract the material. I want to do the census for all Blakes in Cornwall and work that into the parish registers before I actually publish any of the information so suspect it will be the end of the year or into next year before that happens.
 
Blake yDNA Study
There are 94 members although only 52 members have yDNA results for the Blake yDNA study at FT DNA. Other members have joined with their Family Finder results and some of these members do have matches in Family Finder. This is a way in which women with the Blake surname can participate in the study if they are unable to find a Blake in their line to test. Most members of the study trace their Blake ancestry back to the British Isles but there are three members who trace their lines back to Germany. More members in the study are most welcome and absolutely essential to learn more about the founding lines of the Blake family

Elizabeth Kipp, kippeeb@rogers.com
Please send any submissions for the Blake Newsletter to this address.

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 28

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Mary Bartlett was baptized 13 Oct 1764 at Burbage, Wiltshire daughter of John Bartlett and Anne Tarrant who had themselves married 1762 at Burbage. This family is found at Burbage back to the grandparents of Mary thus far. Burbage is just eight miles from Woodborough and nine miles from Beechingstoke. Of note it is also just ten miles from Kimpton, Hampshire where Charles Cotterell moved at some point prior to 1824 when he married Hannah Alderman. I do not have any family lore so have no ideas on why Charles moved to this small village of Kimpton in Hampshire. At the time of the marriage of Charles to Hannah he was 38 years of age and Hannah was 35 years old. As far as I was able to ascertain they had just the two children mentioned earlier William and Mary.

Continuing on with the story of Mary Bartlett.


Two possibilities for the baptism of William Tarrant (father of Anne Tarrant, mother of Mary Bartlett):

William baptized 2 Feb 1696 at Burbage son of William and Ann.

William baptized 3 Feb 1709 at Burbage son of Edward and Mary

The Tarrant baptisms are online for Burbage and they are a large family there. I think it might be worthwhile to try and put these families together in a manner that they can be looked at as families over time.

Unlinked marriages
James Tarrant and Mary Basset married 12 Nov 1753
Joseph Tarrant and Mary Pyke married 25 Dec 1780

In the mid 1500s there are three Tarrant families at Burbage - William, Thomas and Robert. It is likely that Thomas junior is the son of Thomas and Joan Tarrant. Thomas son of William is perhaps the Thomas marrying in 1607. The William marrying in 1624 is possible the son of Thomas and Joan although he would be 38 years old.  Thomas Tarrant the younger is likely the son of Thomas junior. Edward is likely the son of Thomas and Christian Tarrant (Edmund in the baptism) which would make him a grandson of William.

William (buried 4 Jul 1585) and Joan (buried 2 Feb 1588) Tarrant
William baptized 26 Dec 1562
Thomas baptized 1 May 1565
John baptized 25 Jan 1567

Thomas and Margaret Tarrant
Ann baptized 1 Jan 1562
John baptized 18 Feb 1564; buried 9 Apr 1579
Robert baptized 5 Jan 1566

Robert and Joan Tarrant
Christian baptized 16 Jun 1572

Thomas and Joan Tarrant
Judith baptized 6 Jun 1574
Thomas baptized 20 Mar 1575
Agnes baptized 14 Jun 1579
Elizabeth baptized 16 Jan 1581
Mary baptized 3 May 1584
William baptized 7 Aug 1586

Thomas junior and Susan Tarrant
Thomas baptized 22 Jan 1601

Francis and Elizabeth Tarrant
Francis baptized 1 Apr 1602

Thomas and Christian Tarrant
Edmund baptized 24 Oct 1607
Margaret baptized 30 Apr 1609
Edward baptized 2 Dec 1610

Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Mary baptized 20 Mar 1616

William Tarrant
Edith baptized 1 Feb 1624
William baptized 10 Jan 1625
John baptized 22 Apr 1627
Elizabeth baptized 2 Jul 1628
Ann baptized 11 Jul 1629
Elizabeth baptized 1 Dec 1630

Thomas Tarrant (the younger)
Thomas baptized 20 Jul 1627
Susan baptized 1 Dec 1629
Bridget baptized 20 Mar 1631

Thomas the younger and Elizabeth Tarrant
William baptized 20 Jan 1634
William baptized 24 Aug 1647

Edward (buried 16 Jun 1662) and Anne Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 21 Aug 1642
Margaret baptized 5 Feb 1643

Edward and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 1 Jan 1644
Mary baptized 1 Sep 1647

William (buried 21 Jul 1682) and Alice (buried 26 May 1674) Tarrant 
William baptized 17 Nov 1658
John baptized 31 Dec 1660; buried 11 Aug 1674
Margarett baptized 15 Oct 1665
Bettoris baptized 14 Jan 1667
Edmund baptized 16 Oct 1670; buried 24 Jun 1674
Benjamin baptized 16 Jun 1673

Thomas and Rose Tarrant
Edward baptized 6 Nov 1659

Thomas and Kathryn Tarrant (junior)
Ralph baptized 22 Mar 1663
Beniamin baptized 27 Dec 1665

Thomas and Elizabeth Tarrant
Edward baptized 16 Oct 1673
William baptized 21 Jan 1676
William baptized 20 Oct 1678
Margaret baptized 15 Nov 1682

Ralph and Ellenor Tarrant
Ralph baptized 4 Jun 1676
Anne baptized 4 Apr 1678
Anne baptized 31 May 1680
James baptized 31 Jan 1681
Ellenor baptized 11 Sep 1684
Elizabeth baptized 17 Mar 1689

Edmund (buried 9 Dec 1702) and Ruth Tarrant
Edmund baptized 30 Jan 1676
Ruth baptized 23 Dec 1677
Elizabeth baptized 6 Jun 1680
Edmund baptized 29 Nov 1682
Mary baptized 11 Sep 1685
Thomas baptized 25 Nov 1686
Mary baptized 19 Jul 1689
Elizabeth baptized 20 Apr 1692

George (buried 15 Feb 1703) Tarrant and Alice (buried 11 Feb 1697) Sh_ married 13 Oct 1679
George baptized 2 Dec 1680
Thomas baptized 2 Sep 1683
Thomas baptized 1 Aug 1686
Alice baptized 3 Aug 1690

Ralph and Elizabeth (London) Tarrant
Elizabeth baptized 2 Aug 1691

William and Ann Tarrant
Ann baptized 10 Apr 1692
Ruth baptized 2 Oct 1694
William baptized 2 Feb 1696

James (buried 26 Jul 1715) Tarrant and Mary Durnford married 1 Mar 1702
Mary 10 May 1703
James baptized 14 Nov 1706

Edward and Mary Tarrant
Thomas baptized 11 Apr 1704
Mary baptized 15 Dec 1706
William baptized 3 Feb 1709
Edmund baptized 29 Jan 1712
George baptized 18 Aug 1717

Ralph and Patience (buried 4 May 1710) Tarrant
James baptized 5 Jun 1704
Mary baptized 5 Nov 1706
Sarah baptized 4 Sep 1709

James and Jane Tarrant
Sarah baptized 31 Oct 1727
Mary baptized 10 Oct 1729
Elizabeth baptized 10 Oct 1729
Jane baptized 29 Jan 1730
Martha baptized 27 Dec 1732
Thomas baptized 2 Mar 1737

James and Sarah Tarrant
Patience baptized 9 Nov 1735

Daniel and Sarah Tarrant
John baptized 14 Jun 1736

George Tarrant and Mary Kingston married 21 Nov 1738
Mary baptized 11 Feb 1738
William baptized 27 Nov 1740
Mary baptized 25 Sep 1743
Anne baptized 15 Nov 1745

William Tarrant and Anne Holloway married 9 Oct 1738
Mary baptized 25 Jun 1739
Anne baptized 2 Jun 1742
William baptized 12 Oct 1744
Thomas baptized 16 Jul 1749
Sapphira baptized 15 May 1753
Sarah baptized 25 Jun 1756
Charlotte baptized 11 Nov 1761

Joseph and Mary Tarrant
John baptized 5 Mar 1769
Sarah baptized 10 Nov 1771
Joannah baptized 26 Mar 1775

Mary Bartlett's father John was baptized 30 Jan 1736 at Burbage the son of John Bartlett and Mary Wilkins who were themselves married in 1735 at Burbage.There is a John Bartlet baptized at Edington (9 miles from Burbage) 14 Jul 1709 son of James and Jane Bartlet. This is likely the James Bartley who married Jane Scoetling at Edington 15 May 1704.

Children of James and Jane Bartlet baptized at Edington:

Edward baptized 20 Mar 1705
Robert baptized 18 Nov 1707
John baptized 14 Jul 1709
Jane baptized 9 Jul 1712
James baptized 27 May1714
Isaac baptized 14 Nov 1716
Richard baptized 27 May 1720
Thomas baptized 10 Mar 1722

There was also a John Bartlet baptized  5 Dec 1705 at Edington son of William junior and Mary. Both of these Bartlet families lived at Tinhead.

Children of William junior and Mary baptized at Edington:

William baptized 14 Nov 1699
John baptized 5 Dec 1705

At this point it isn't possible to determine which John Bartlet is the correct one.I could not find a Mary Wilkins baptized in this area.

Ancestry of Mary Bartlett:

1. Mary BARTLETT (b 13 Oct 1764) - Burbage Wiltshire England
2. John BARTLETT (b 30 Jan 1736) - Burbage Wiltshire England
3. John BARTLETT

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 29

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Alderman was the father of Hannah Alderman  (baptized 2 Aug 1789 at Kimpton, Hampshire) and Hannah married Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. John Alderman married Joanna Shepherd 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. They baptized five children at Kimpton:

John baptized 4 May 1772 and buried 7 May 1772 at Kimpton
William baptized 2 Feb 1782 
Frances baptized 21 Jun 1784
William baptized 22 Jan 1787
Hannah baptized 2 Aug 1789

The ten years is a large gap between John and William but the priest consistently identified the mother Joanna as Joanna Shepherd in all baptisms. Possibly they lived elsewhere for a period of time and I have not yet searched other areas.    The burial record for John Alderman gives his age as 61 years when he died 20 Feb 1811 and there is a baptism 2 Apr 1749 at Ham, Wiltshire (11 miles from Kimpton) that is the only baptism that I found that would work looking at Find My Past. Neither the name Philip nor the name Elizabeth was used by this couple which is somewhat disconcerting so will keep my eye out for other possibilities. Philip Alderman married Elizabeth Aldridge 26 Feb 1748 at Ham, Wiltshire.

Children baptized by Philip and Elizabeth Alderman at Ham:

John baptized 2 Apr 1749
Mary baptized 24 Mar 1750
James baptized 9 Sep 1753
Philip baptized 7 Sep 1758; buried 7 Sep 1758 at Ham

No further information for Philip. There are two baptisms for Elizabeth Aldridge at Ham, the first the daughter of James and Mary baptized 7 May 1727 and the second daughter of John junior and baptized 23 Aug 1724.

Ancestry of John Alderman (possible):

1. John ALDERMAN (b 2 Apr 1749) - Ham Wiltshire England
2. Philip ALDERMAN

Although it has been my stated intent not to do any more lectures I will be doing a Google hangout for The Surname Society next Saturday. The title  will be DNA and Surname Studies. I am gradually stepping down from my involvement in this society as well. The next issue of the newsletter will be my last. I would like to do some database work for both the guild of one studies and the surname society. But any involvement in either executive is ending.

In reality it has been the entry of DNA into genealogy that has drawn me into genealogy although the initial push came from my fourth cousin George Dekay. He wanted a
Pincombe profile for the Delaware and Westminster  history books published almost ten years ago now. I was reticent to take the project on. I did do so and my forays into genealogy began.

My husband and I first tested our DNA in 2006 in order to be part of The National Geographic Project. We were interested in our deep ancestry and my husband was keen to discover his Kipp line which has a brick wall at his 2nd great grandfather Isaac Kipp who was born in 1764 and came to Canada in 1800 as a settler with his wife Hannah Mead and four of their five sons. He has been studying his families for nearly 40 years.

I really expected to find that my mitochondrial line would be a fairly usual English one but surprises were in store for me. At the NG project I tested as H haplogroup with three differences from the Cambridge Reference Standard. The option to take my results into FT DNA was offered  and I did do that only to discover that I had very few matches - 5 actually. One of them had done further testing and was H11. Interest kindled  and so I did further testing and I have now done everything available. I have tested at Ancestry and 23 and me as well.

Very busy the rest of the day. Will share the presentation.

My grandmother Blake was always a shadow figure in my life as she died 5 years before I was born. I knew a lot about her actual life, what she liked to do, her character and her known relatives. But when I tried to find her in the records  prior to 1891 that proved to be an impossible task. She just appears in the records in 1891 as the daughter of William Taylor and his wife Elizabeth. Searching for their marriage  around 1876 was also non productive. Then, bolstered by my courses at the National Institute  for Genealogical  Studies, I started collecting information on her siblings four in number although only three survived to adulthood. Buying their birth registrations led to the discovery of their mother  Elizabeth's  maiden name Rawlings. That let me find the marriage of William and Elizabeth in 1882. With that piece of knowledge I knew then that my grandmother had likely been born out of wedlock and was not likely the daughter of William Taylor. He would have been 17 years of age when she was born. I further proved this to be unlikely as he was some distance from Kimpton in this time period. Plus he was not listed as her father although did sign the marriage registration as a witness when Edith married Samuel Blake my grandfather.

I then purchased the marriage registration for William Taylor and  Elizabeth Rawlings and her father was William Rawlings. Locating Elizabeth on the census in 1861 and 1871 I found her mother Elizabeth and her siblings but could not find Elizabeth in 1881 and still can not find her. I searched on William instead and up popped the 1881 census with the youngest sons David and Sidney and a grand daughter Ada Rawlings five years old born at Ludgershall. Finding the birth registration for Ada proved  to be remarkably easy  and I waited for yet another certificate. Looking today at Find my past for my grandmother born in 1876 is interesting as there are seven hits for Ada Rawlings born in 1876 but six are easily eliminated because I know she was born 1 April 1876 and thus is the only record that matches.

For some reason I am completely untroubled by my discovery. Illegitimacy  does not hold any horrors for me. Finding my grandmother back in 2005 proved to be a catalyst for all the research that has followed. I discovered that you really can prove your line. Unfortunately it is not likely possible to determine her haplogroup. My father was her only child. She had one half sister but thus far I have not found a female descendant. The Rawlings line quickly fleshed out back to the mid seventeen hundreds  and a recent post proposes  a further jump back in time. William Rawlings married Elizabeth Lywood and the Lywood family has been well researched as a one name study by Warwick  Lywood  who has taken it back into the fifteen hundreds.

The last few 52 Ancestor Challenges have looked at the possible ancestry of my grandmother's  natural father. The father she knew and dearly loved was William Taylor and I considered  just letting her never be found by me in my recordings. The Taylor family was her family.  My grandfather  had very efficiently laid out an ancestry for her that appeared to be quite solid but I could not find a birth registration that fitted. Was I being unfair to her memory? I finally  decided after l revealed her ancestry to all my siblings and they were excited  that she was found that her memory was better served by truth than fiction. We love her just for being our grandmother  nothing else matters. A few Cotterill, Cotterell, Cottrell matches on the various databases that I have tested tell me I am likely right but I will wait to see if they contact me.

I am mostly  of the opinion that one's  familial ancestry determines who you are really. One's  genetic ancestry may or may not coincide but it can not include those wonderful personal anecdotes that make up the story of a family. We genealogists in this time and place have a wonderful opportunity to tell the stories of our families in amazing ways for future generations that gives flesh to the bones. Our DNA is also wonderful to include and gives us both recent and deep ancestry.

In total I have now found two illegitimacies in my ancestry. Both occur in the same line. My grandmother's  grandmother was also illegitimate. I suspect that her father was a soldier during the Napoleonic Wars. Martha Peck  married George Lywood a veteran of Waterloo and was the mother of Elizabeth Lywood married to William Rawlings. Not telling us the true story of our grandmother lost us the story of George at Waterloo. That story  has now returned  to our family history.

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 30

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Joanna Shepherd was baptized 7 June 1752 at Kimpton, Hampshire the daughter of William and Joanna Shepherd. A William Shepherd was buried 12 Jan 1786 at Kimpton aged 78 years (birth year circa 1708). Is this the father of Joanna? He would have been 48 years of age when she was baptized. I haven't found a marriage for William Shepherd to Joanna.

Joanna Shepherd married John Alderman 13 Jan 1772 at Kimpton. Their daughter Hannah married  Charles Coterill 23 Oct 1824 at Kimpton. Their son William Cotterill married Jane Sherwood 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.

I did find one interesting baptism for a William Shepherd son of William Shepherd 27 Mar 1735 at Collingbourne Kingston. However he would likely be too young to be the father of Joanna.

Joanna's date of death/burial is unknown to me but she does not appear on the 1841 census at Kimpton. 

Ancestry of Joanna Shepherd:

1. William COTTERILL (b 12 Jun 1825) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Hannah ALDERMAN (b 2 Aug 1789) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. Joanna SHEPHERD (b 7 Jun 1752) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. William SHEPHERD

I gave a Google Hangout on Saturday for The Surname Society on DNA and Surname Studies and promised to share it with my blog. I belong to both The Guild of One-Name Studies and The Surname Society. My world wide one-name studies are at the Guild and my localized one name studies are at The Surname Society.

http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/TSS-Hangout-25Jul2015-DNA%20and%20Surname%20Studies.pptx

Slide 1
Title Page (PLCGS is an acronym for Professional Learning Certificate in Genealogical Studies which I obtained from The National Institute for Genealogical Studies which was based at the University of Toronto in the Faculty of Information Studies when I graduated in 2007 in England and Canadian Studies.

Slide 2
List of Useful books for DNA and Surname Studies

Slide 3
I find this useful to add as I want people to realize what they may learn from DNA testing and how one should approach this rather novel and progressive way of looking at your genealogy. Personally it was the advent of DNA testing (and my cousin's prompting as he wanted a profile of my emigrant Pincombe family for a local history book) that really brought me into genealogy as I felt that I could actually prove my ancestry.

Slide 4
Useful abbreviations

Slide 5
I like all the testing companies that I have used. I do not have any actual preference as they have all served the purpose that I had in mind when I tested at them.

Slide 6
Getting into the nitty-gritty now, I suggest that if anyone wants to join a project that you manage you should let them unless they really do not carry the surname that you are looking for at all or do not belong to the particular haplogroup of which you are administrator/co-administrator.

Slide 7
My summary of the talk to follow. The first six slides were a warmup to get into the topic itself. From this point the slides assume some knowledge of the different types of DNA although I do give a brief overlook.

Slide 8
List of the DNA that I am going to look at and for the moment is the DNA tested by the companies at which I have tested either myself or my brother.

Slide 9
Y DNA or the Male line in one's ancestry. Our father may be known (as in my case) or unknown to us but the Y DNA which the sons of any particular male carry traces his line back generation upon generation to the first individual who carried that exact genetic signature (although a few mutations could have crept in through the centuries).

Slide 10
Autosomal DNA which is contributed to by all our ancestors although they may not all show up in the resultant set that we receive because that is the luck of the draw one might say. I believe that autosomal DNA is now coming into its own and is quite important in DNA projects.

Slide 11
X chromosome is the mate to the Y chromosome in males and females receive an X chromosome from each parent. In males there are a limited number of people who will match you because your X chromosome is solely from your mother so is entirely her side of the family and excludes her father's father's line. but does include her father's mother's line since that is the exact chromosome which he has passed to his daughters. Perhaps not useful for Surname Studies but could prove interesting on occasion when sorting through matches.

Slide 12
Mitochondrial DNA probably has very little use in Surname Studies but I do mention one and that is geographic location for emigrant ancestors. Really not pertinent if you already know where your ancestors lived but in the case of people whose ancestors emigrated in the 1600s (or long before that actually when one looks at the First Peoples to the Western Hemisphere) as a married couple the mitochondrial DNA might point to a location where the particular haplogroup subclade is found.

Slide 13
Case Studies to be examined include my husband's Kipp/Kip one name study and two of my one name studies Pincombe and Blake.

Slide 14
My husband has been running his KIPP/KIP study at FT DNA for over six years now. His purpose was to find the genetic signature for this rather interesting family. His own line goes back to his 2x great grandfather Isaac KIPP who was born in 1764 likely at Northeast Town in Dutchess County where he is found on the census with his wife Hannah in 1790 living next to or with his father in law Jonathan Mead. Was this KIPP family the New Amsterdam family from the late 1630s (emigrated from Amsterdam Holland) or was it one of the KIPP families that was naturalized in the 1750s coming from the Germanic States. These two groups are the ancestors of many of the KIPP/KIP families in North America.

Slide 15
I then discussed the KIPP study and the members and that the study determined that this was not a singleton surname by the Y DNA results.

Slide 16
A list of the first 12 markers found for the New Amsterdam family and the significance of DYS426 being 13 in this family grouping thus separating this KIPP/KIP family from the other KIPP families in North America. There are differences in CDYa/b which it is hoped will permit separation of the three sons of the original emigrant or perhaps sons of those sons. That is still being worked on as this part of the study slowly grows.

Slide 17
 I summarized the comments above noting that one of the other study groups has similar results in the first 12 markers except for the significant DYS426 which is 12 in that family but they also have other differences which results in a Genetic Distance of 6 or 7 on 37 markers. Hence they are not the same family in a genealogical timeframe. My husband has done a lot of research on Dutch records now and has determined that at least prior to 1600 (and not sure how far back before that time) this family lived in the border area of Denmark/Netherlands/Germany although in the territory known as The Netherlands at that time.

Slide 18
One of my pet recommendations to anyone in a surname group that I am involved with is to encourage them to join the relevant haplogroup project for their surname. The administrators of the Haplogroup projects have been very aggressive in putting together fantastic phylogenetic charts of their members and I include an image that I wasn't able to show yesterday due to technical problems at my end.



This particular chart is for my Blake line (Blayke) and note that CTS4122+ separates my Blayke from Blake beside it. The interesting part of all of this is that my grandfather worked with the ancestor of this tester in the Train Yards at Eastleigh and they wondered if they were related. Probably not in a thousand years one might suspect. But interesting to see how the administrators are putting together their information into charts into a genealogical timeframe.

Slide 19
A second case study and this one for my PINCOMBE/PINKHAM one name study. This slide talks about some of the people who have tested and how these results looked. As a result of the first two items I decided to set the Y DNA study aside for several years. The third bullet item brought it back to life again and the fourth bullet item provides a short historical reference to a will that I have transcribed and how it might work into the story of bullet three.


Slide 20
This is my PINCOMBE family tree from my grandfather back to his furtherest back known ancestor (lived at North Molton, Devon). The black arrow marks the most recent common ancestor for the PINCOMBE tester in Australia and myself. John PINCOMBE (b 1808 Bishops Nympton, Devon) is my emigrant ancestor.

Slide 21
I talked about the problems that I had with this PINCOMBE/PINKHAM single surname study. Mostly it is the small group of testers and no matches. My history of this family is known back to about 1485 but the other testers are looking at the latter part of the 1600s for their furtherest back ancestor. I found some interesting earlier history for the PENCOMBE (spelling used by the earliest PINCOMBE at North Molton, Devon) family in Herefordshire in the 1300s. At the time of the mismatch I also noted that the surname PINKHAM was found in Devon/Cornwall earlier than 1485.

Slide 22
My PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study was an inherited one from an earlier researcher to whom I am not
related as far as I know. The earlier study had been deposited at the Society of Genealogists, London, England, UK and the original researcher Dr Richard PINKHAM (Gloucestershire) had begun this study prior to WWII when he first collected his information including abstracting the wills at the Devon Record Office (bombed in WWII and all records destroyed). I do not want to undo 50+ years of research; I do not mind incorporating new material into the existing study. So I adopted a wait and see attitude as my method of resolving the conflict mentioned in Slide 19.

Slide 23
Resolving such a difficulty may not occur very quickly and there are several other ways to look at a study anyway so I continued (and still continue) collecting documental evidence for the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM family. I blog about the Pincombe family and with my own success with Family Finder and PINCOMBE/PINKHAM really encourage any female PINCOMBE/PINKHAM to test with Family Finder and join the project. Then luck enters into the equation and the match in Sweden is certainly very very interesting especially as his haplogroup is not very common in Sweden (more common in the British Isles).

Slide 24
Autosomal DNA has played a role in the PINCOMBE/PINKHAM study as I have two different matches one with a known fourth cousin and one with a known third cousin once removed with our common ancestor being in the PINCOMBE family. I mention that finding a descendant of the John PINCOMBE and Johane BLACKMOORE family would add greatly to the study and prove this line although the paper proof is probably more than adequate (I have transcribed the entire set of parish registers at Bishops Nympton) the DNA verification is always exciting as well.

Slide 25
The BLAKE/BLEAK study is the final case study in this presentation looking at Y DNA principally with a little autosomal mentioned. The actual Y DNA study if administrated by Bill BLEAK although I am a co-administrator along with two others. This study although begun in 2004 is still in its infancy. Interesting results are coming out of it but more testers are needed. With such a large surname 50+ testers is not enough to really draw a lot of conclusions. I publish the Blake Newsletter four times a year and report on the DNA progress of the study there.

Slide 26
A little background on the Blake one name study.

Slide 27
This Case Study looks at the descendants of a group of families - PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS and I mention GedMatch as being a good site to enter your results and collect your matches by surname if possible or at least by matches.

Slide 28
More on the PARLEE/ALLEN/FOLKINS families and they descend from United Empire Loyalists brought to New Brunswick by the British following the American Revolution. I propose that as you put known cousins into the Chromosome Browser start marking portions of the Chromosome as belonging to a particular surname if possible. As you acquire more and more members it may be possible to find particular areas that are specific to a surname and then when unknown but likely related people join you can predict their lineage by their matches. An interesting way to look at surname projects I think.

Slide 29
Talked about mitochondrial DNA project and I am involved in two - the T haplogroup project and the H11 project. both at FT DNA.

Slide 30
H11 Haplogroup phylogenetic chart (build of February 2014). I have over 100 members in my study with their full genetic scan and a couple of these subclades appear to belong to particular areas in Europe (Europe includes both East and West). My own haplogroup H11a2a1 appears to be NorthWestern Europe and primarily the British Isles). The haplogroup H11a2a2 is primarily an Eastern European group. H11b1 appears to be mostly Eastern Europe extending into Central Europe.

Slide 31
Mitochondrial DNA is not really useful in Surname studies except perhaps that a location of an emigrant couple might be discovered.

Slide 32
X chromosome studies is again the least useful in Surname Studies. Males have limited matches so might prove useful on occasion.

Slide 33
Quick review of the benefits and drawbacks to Y DNA studies although I think that testing your paternal line is absolutely essential and any drawbacks are really very unimportant. How to attract members is always a problem but publicizing your study is the best means.

Slide 34
A query slide with my email but I should mention my knowledge of DNA is limited to the above.

Slide 35
List of suggested books and I do own them all and find each of them to be most useful.

Slide 36
Thank you for reading this far!

There are 11 Blake males listed on The Trafalgar Database (https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/) including five from England, four from Ireland, one from Wales and one from America.

David Blake aged 22 born in Newcastle.
Ship: HMS Victory
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
   
Service details
Comments: From: Woolwich Tender
HMS Victory
Ship's pay book number: (SB 399)
11 May 1803 to 15 January 1806 (Was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
Comments: prest
HMS Ocean
Ship's pay book number: (SB 274)
17 January 1806 to 14 April 1809
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
HMS Ville De Paris (1)

Prisoner of War #840 serving on HMS Friends, 7 Sep 1813 (2)
   
Sources used
(1) The National Archives (UK): Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15900
(2) The National Archives (UK): Catalogue reference: ADM 103/465 (part 1)

Jacob Blake aged 30 born in America.
Ship: HMS Revenge
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman
   
Service details
Comments: From: Utrecht, Dowry prest
HMS Revenge
Ship's pay book number: (SB 487)
14 June 1805 (1)
   
Sources used
(1) The National Archives (UK), Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16545


James Blake aged 20 born in Manchester, Lancashire, England.
Ship: HMS Royal Sovereign
Rank/Rating: Landsman
   
Service details (1)
          
HMS Royal Sovereign
Ship's pay book number: (SB 527)
1 March 1805

He is possibly the James Blake, 22 of Manchester who is listed on a Trinity House Petition - series 1 Book 11 page 17 (2)
     
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15755
(2) Find My Past, Trinity House Petitions, Series 1 (copyright Society of Genealogists)


James Blake, aged 24 born in Donegal, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Colossus
Rank/Rating: Landsman

Service details (1)
HMS Colossus
Ship's pay book number: (SB 187)

Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15825


James Blake, aged 21 born in Sidmouth, Devon, England.
Ship: HMS Minotaur
Rank/Rating: Ordinary Seaman

Service details (1)
HMS Minotaur
Ship's pay book number: (SB 491)

There is a James Blake living at Stoke Damerel on the 1851 English Census born at Maker, Cornwall so not likely the correct one but he was born in 1782. I did not find a James Blake born at Sidmouth or closeby to that area looking at Find My Past.  

Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16055


James Blake aged 17 born in Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Ship: HMS Leviathan
Rank/Rating: Landsman

Service details (1)
HMS Leviathan
24 June 1804
Comments: Volunteer

Ship\s pay book number: (SB 1715)
25 June 1804

Also found on Find My Past under Merchant Seaman  I found a long list of Blake males includes a number of James Blake but not this man will have to go back in and collect these another time.

Sources used:
(1)The National Archives: Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15837


John Blake, aged 29 born in Wexford, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Leviathan
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman

Personal details:
Notes : will and power to wife 15 March 1804

Service details (1)
HMS Leviathan
Ship's pay book number: (SB 1139)
23 November 1803
Rank/rating: Ordinary Seaman

24 November 1803

Sources used
(1)The National Archives, Catalogue reference ADM 36/15837


John Blake, aged 28 born in Dublin, Ireland.
Ship: HMS Naiad
Rank/Rating: Able Seaman

Service details (1)
HMS Naiad
Ship's pay book number: (SB 137)

Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16799


John Blake aged 16 born in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales.
Ship: HMS Bellerophon
Rank/Rating: Boy

Service details (1)

Comments: from Salvador Del Mundo, United Brothers, Volunteer

HMS Bellerophon
Ship's pay book number: (B3C, no 30)
29 April 1805 to 17 December 1805 (was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Boy

Ship's pay book number: (SB 868)
18 December 1805 to 2 February 1808
Rank/rating: Landsman

Comments: Run 2 February 1808 Plymouth, Devon, England

Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16498


John Blake aged 40 born in Catdown, Devon, England.
Ship: HMS Sirius
Rank/Rating: Yeoman of the Sheets
   

Personal details

Notes

TNA catalogue reference ADM 73/2 records that John Blake was admitted to Greenwich Hospital as an in-pensioner on 11 April 1811.
     
Service details
           
HMS Alarm
11 January 1794 to 6 May 1794
Rank/rating: Able Seaman

HMS Veteran
7 May 1794 to 13 October 1796
Rank/rating: Coxswain and Yeoman of the Signals

HMS Duke
14 October 1796 to 10 April 1798
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals and Boatswain's Mate

HMS Europa
11 April 1798 to 26 September 1799
Rank/rating: Boatswain's Mate

HMS Temeraire
27 September 1799 to 5 October 1802
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals and Boatswain's Mate

HMS Sirius
Ship's pay book number: (SB 108)
7 October 1802 to 8 May 1807 (Was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Yeoman of the Signals

HMS Madras
9 May 1807 to 11 February 1808
Rank/rating: Able Seaman

There is a John Blake baptized at Torbryan Devon son of John and Mary Blake 1 Apr 1764 (3).
     
Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16854
(2) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 73/2
(3) Devon Baptisms 3066a/PR/1/2, South West Heritage Trust, viewed on Find My Past


Robert Blake aged 22 born in County Wexford, Ireland
Ship: HMS Prince
Rank/Rating: Landsman

Service details (1)

HMS Prince
Ship\s pay book number: (SB 131)
13 April 1804 

Sources used
(1) The National Archives, Catalogue reference: ADM 36/16274

52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 31

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Sherwood/Shearwood/Sheerwood married Elizabeth unknown but this is possibly the marriage of John Sherwood and Elizabeth Taylor 9 Dec 1787 at Chieveley, Berkshire.  I do not find another marriage in the Hampshire/Dorset/Wiltshire area for this couple (John and Elizabeth Sherwood).

Their son John Shearwood  was baptized 13 Aug 1797 at Shipton Bellinger, Hampshire and he married Sarah Happerfield 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth. They baptized six children:

Maria baptized 18 Nov 1821 at Shipton Bellinger
Jane baptized 12 Dec 1824 at Kimpton
John baptized 4 Nov 1827 at Kimpton
Harriet baptized 26 Sep 1830 at Kimpton
Thomas baptized 16 Mar 1834 at Kimpton
George baptized 18 Feb 1838 at Kimpton

Jane Sherwood married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton and their son George was baptized 6 Mar 1859 at Kimpton and he died Mar quarter 1913 at Hadleigh, Rochford, Essex.

John, brother of Jane,  was an agricultural labourer for Walter Pathecary at Middle Wallop in 1851. On the 1861 Census he is listed as a Farm Bailif living at Kimpton. John Sheerwood on the 1871 census (born in 1828 at Kimpton) is listed as a keeper of a beer house at Nether Wallop.


Ancestry of John Sherwood/Shearwood/Sheerwood:

1. George COTTERILL (b 6 Mar 1859) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
3. John SHEARWOOD (b 13 Aug 1797) - Shipton Bellinger Hampshire England
4 John SHERWOOD