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Matches at Family Finder

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I spent the last couple of days extracting all my matches (for all my siblings and myself) from Family Finder. I really haven't done very much with these matches and decided I would put them into an excel file and match them up. I came up with 54 matches where all  of us matched an individual, 120  matches where three out of four matched. My next pursuit is to look at the email addresses listed to see if anyone is like myself associated with a number of kits. The surnames do not match and so one might gloss over possible matches if you look at just the surnames. There are a few sets of matches with probable siblings which might prove to be interesting once I put it altogether.

Likely I will email the set where all four of us match an individual particularly when the emails match for a few of the individuals.

Gradually I am seeing a value to these autosomal results as they let me prove lines backwards in time. When two or three of us match and our common ancestor is a 3x or 4x great grandfather then the line is proven. I haven't collected a lot of collateral information on lines but that is a really necessary item. My husband has a huge tree now close to 100,000 people as he has collected collateral lines. My tree is less than 8000. 

2016 52 Ancestor Challenge and Blake continuing

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I have decided that I have greatly benefitted from this year's ancestor challenge so I will do it again next year but will look at our grand children's  4x great grandparents. All are known  and because there are 64 and only 52 weeks  I shall leave out 12 of mine because I mentioned them this year except for my maternal grandmother's  parents and I will choose  two others that would be intetesting to look at a second time. It would give me an opportunity to put more flesh on the bones of the 2x great grandparents.

The list:

Charles Alexandre Bedard
Marie Emelie Whelan
Leon Matte
Marie Louise Gagnon
Marius-Joseph Mourier
Antoinette Bertrand
Jean Baptiste Benjamin Neveu
Lea Audet dite Lapointe
Antoine Gregoire
Rosa de Lima Seguin dit Laderoute
Joseph Delphis Tremblay
Lucie Labelle
Augustin Lauzon
Helena Brunet
Felix Lanoie
Celine Rheaume

Joseph Dumoulin
Rosalie Renaud
Joseph Napoleon Larent dit Vinet
Rosalie Cadieux
Eustache Clement
Azelie Marie Charlebois
Auguste Breault dit Pommerville
Vitaline Pilon
Pierre Prevost
Salomee Desjardins
Francois Deschatelets
Marie Louise Quesnel
Jean Baptiste Lagarde dit St-Jean
Octavie Lavigne
Joseph Jean Baptiste Chenier
Anne Anna Racine

Isaac Kipp
Hannah Mead
Resiah Force
Elizabeth Schram
Johann Christian Friedrich Schulz
Magdalena Dorothea Johanna Passow
Johan Carl Niemann
Johanna Sophia Dusing
John Link
Mary Anne Abbs
Horace Rathbun
Eliza Jane Hotrum
Isaac Allen
Rebecca Crouse
John Casey Parlee
Margaret Folkins

John Blake
Ann Farmer
Samuel Knight
Louisa Butt
Joseph Taylor/William Cotterill
Mary Pinnells/Jane Sherwood
William Rawlings
Elizabeth Lywood
John Pincombe
Elizabeth Rew
Robert Gray junior
Elizabeth Mary Ann Routledge
Henry Christopher Buller
Anne Welch
Thomas Taylor
Ellen Roberts

I would be choosing just four from the latter group and it would be the last two and I have high hopes of proving that line back from my great grandmother by year's end :) and I think I would select the parents of my paternal grandmother's stepfather since they were known to her in her childhood days perhaps not personally (I shall attempt to determine that) but certainly as people who were discussed in family.

I think the 52 Ancestor Challenge is a project that could last a number of years as there are many ways of looking at these ancestors and this year has been extremely productive looking at mine - a number of new and interesting facts have come to light.

But now I must return to my Blake endeavours. I want to publish the Galway Blake family on World Connect and Family Search giving appropriate credit to Martin Joseph Blake for his work and I will be using a couple of other published texts as well.

Does my Blake line come from a Blake family in Ireland? The haplogroup is found in England but not in the proportions that it is found in Ireland. With the newest charting for L-161 I must admit to being really curious. I repeat the chart here:











Although this chart is somewhat small you can clearly see the break in the line of two Blake families in this chart. The lines are literally separated by CTS4122+ (my line having mutated and being + and the other being ancestral or CTS4122-).

The markers for these two individuals are separated by a genetic distance of 4 on 12 markers but of the four individuals who have tested and lie in this particular grouping two are declared Irish and the other two have very early history in Hampshire England. Three of them are an exact match on the first 12 markers - my line is the outlier. Is my line an outlier because of very ancient separation from the common founder? As the trek towards the open water and better hunting/fishing happened 8000 or so years ago across Doggerland towards Ireland did my line stop at Hampshire and the rest continue towards the coast? I wonder about that.

I shall work on the haplogroups for the Blake study today as there are a few new ones to assign and one to move into "not Blake direct line."

I also will return to working on the Cornwall Blake family. Summer always has as first call the garden but gradually that work load is decreasing and I shall return once again to genealogy.


H11 haplogroup

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A couple of months later than I thought I would be reporting on H11 haplogroup.

There are now 119 members of this study with 71 giving their ancestral location.

Croatia                                 2
E Europe                              1
England                              10
Finland                               14
France                                  1
Germany                              4
Greece                                  1
Hungary                               2
Ireland                                  6
Israel                                    1
Italy                                      1
Norway                                3
NW Europe                         1
Poland                                 6
Prussia                                1
Russia                                 6
Scotland                              3
Serbia                                  1
Slovakia                              1
Sweden                               3
The Netherlands                 1
Ukraine                               1
United Kingdom                 1

Combining this into distinct areas in Europe + Israel one can see first of all this is a predominantly European haplogroup thus far.

Southern Europe + Israel                      4                   

Eastern Europe                                    17

Scandinavian Penninsula                     20

Western/Central Europe                      10

British Isles                                         20


Broken into haplogroup subclades

H11                                  5

H11a                              35

H11a-207A                      2

H11a1                            30

H11a2                              3

H11a2a                            4

H11a2a1                        11

H11a2a2                         5

H11a2a3                         2

H11a2-T16092C            3

H11a3                            3

H11a4                            3

H11a5                            0

H11a6                            1

H11a7                            1

H11b                              1

H11b1                          10


To date none of these could be declared to be location specific although H11a2a1 does appear to be most commonly found in the British Isles (only 5 out of 9 reporting but two of the members report likely British Isles surnames/colonial emigrants to America) and H11a2a2 appears to be an Eastern European grouping (out of 6 members 4 report Eastern Europe, 1 reports Western Europe and 1 reports Scandinavian Peninsula).

Back mutations of 16092C do appear in the H11a2 and H11a2a clade as well as in the subclades H11a2a1 and H11a2a2. FT DNA has started reporting a back mutation in 16140C as H11a2-T16092C.

H11a1  reports 10 from the Scandinavian Peninsula, 2 from the British Isles, 10 from Eastern Europe, 2 from Central/Western Europe and 2 from Southern Europe.

The last release of the PhyloTree (http://www.phylotree.org/) was 19 Feb 2014 and schematically it looks like:

H11      T8448C  G13759A  T16311C! 
                                              
     H11a      T961g  A16293G                                               

          H11a1      C8898T  C16278T!                                         

          H11a2      A14587G  (T16092C)                                         

               H11a2a      T16140C                                         

                    H11a2a1      A3145G                                   

                    H11a2a2      G5585A  T15670C  A16265G                       

                    H11a2a3      C9521T                                   

          H11a3      T16243C                                               

          H11a4      5899.XC  C16111T                                         

          H11a5      C15040T                                               

          H11a6      G1719A  G5979A  A16525G                                   

          T152C!  H11a7      C9911T                                         

     H11b      T13572C       

          H11b1      T7645C                                               
























Windows 10

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Converted to Windows 10 today and system is working very well. Do not see a lot of changes except the app screen is now on the start menu. Legacy 8.5 working very well.

On to gardening for a bit and then I begin Cornwall parishes within 25 miles of Bodmin to complete that project.

John Happerfield (1775 - 1844)

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52 Ancestor Challenge - Week 32

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

John Happerfield was born at North Tidworth (according to the census) and married Diana Collins 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. He died at South Tidworth and was buried there. John and Diana baptized six children at South Tidworth including Sarah who married John Shearwood/Sherwood/Sheerwood (their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton):

Thomas
Sarah baptized 31 Jul 1796; married John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth
John baptized 21 Sep 1800
Charles baptized 6 Mar 1803
Hester baptized 16 Apr 1806
Daniel baptized 17 Jan 1808

John Happerfield was the son of Charles Habberfield and Sarah Hitchcock who were married 12 Oct 1768 at South Tidworth. They have five known children:

Elizabeth baptized 12 Oct 1769 at South Tidworth
John born circa 1775 at North Tidworth
Charles
James
William

Ancestry of John Happerfield:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
3. John HAPPERFIELD (b c 1775) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
4. Charles HABBERFIELD


Interesting query on the Blake family at South Newton

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I received a query on the Blake family at South Newton. I find this Blake line to be particularly interesting for my own line.  South Newton, Wiltshire lies 19 miles ENE of Andover, Hampshire  and 13 miles East of Over Wallop, Wiltshire.

There is a Blake family at Over Wallop, Wiltshire (this information received from another researcher partially):

William Blake and Ann with sons James (baptized 7 Jul 1754), Thomas (baptized 9 Apr 1756; buried 27 Sep 1757), Thomas (baptized 23 Jul 1758) and Richard (baptized 21 Mar 1762) and daughters Elizabeth (baptized 9 Mar 1760) and Mary (baptized 8 Mar 1767; buried 16 Dec 1769) living at Over Wallop.

James married Mary Browning 28 Jul 1776 at Over Wallop, Hampshire

Richard married Phoebe Northover 13 Nov 1793 at Broad Chalk, Wiltshire. Their children were: Ann, John, William, Charles, Sarah, Letitia, Thomas, Harriet, Thomas  and William.

A Charles Blake was buried at Over Wallop 6 May 1742. Jone Blake was buried 2 Aug 1723 and Mary Blake was buried 3 May 1725 also at Over Wallop.

Another four earlier burials at Over Wallop: Anne Blake was buried 4 Oct 1696 daughter of Charles and Ruth; Charles Blake was buried 19 Aug 1684 son of Charles; Charles Blake was buried 11 Dec 1702 son of Charles and Ruth, and Joseph Blake was buried 22 Apr 1703 son of Charles and Ruth.

more to come

Last parishes in Cornwall to be extracted from the online database

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I am now down to the last set of parishes to be extracted from the online database of the Cornwall OPC.

St Just in Roseland
Rame
Chacewater
Stratton
Kilhampton
Poughill

Bridgerule
Budock
St Buryan
Camborne
Charlestown
St Erme
St Ervan
Falmouth
St Gluvias
St Giles in the Heath
Godolphin
Gwenmap
Gwinear
Gwithian
Hayle, St Elwyn
Illogan
St Hilary
St Keverne
 Launcells
Lanner
Ludgvan
Madron
Marazion
Mawnan
Millbrook
Mylor
St Mewan
Redruth
Pelynt
Penzance
Phillack
Pelynt
Redruth
West Briton
Tideford
Wendron

I have started to extract the census around Bodmin beginning with 1911. Hopefully I will have something to publish on all of this by the end of the year.

Early Blake records in Cornwall from the OPC Cornwall website

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Working on the St Just in Roseland parish records and the earliest baptism there is in 1546, twenty years earlier than Bodmin. The baptismal parish registers begin in 1558 at Bodmin and in 1538 at St Just in Roseland.

A rather interesting find that the Blake family is at St Just in Roseland and it is a large Blake family there. The Emigrants database showed that:

John Blake, a Breton, lived at Bodmin before 16 February 1525

Baptisms in Cornwall (OPC Cornwall website) up to 1599 total 33

Bodmin 7
St Mabyn 6
Whitstone 4
St Teath 4
 Illogan 3
St Minver 2
St Just in Roseland 1
Menheniot 1
St Breward 1
Botus Fleming 1
Kilhampton 1
St Germans 1
Padstow 1






You can see clustering in the area of Bodmin and above to the coast and then two clusters on the Devon border and two unclustered in western Cornwall. Can one surmise that the John Blake from Britanny (Breton) and coming to Bodmin prior to 16 Feb 1525 was the ancestor of the Blake family at Bodmin and area? Did he enter Cornwall at St Just in Roseland? That would help to account for the record at St Just in Roseland. The two clusters at the Devon border are perhaps the known Blake family in Devon.


Marriages up to 1599 (OPC Cornwall website) total  34 Males and 24 Females

Parishes for Blake male marriages
St Breock 10
Bodmin 4
Sheviock 2
Marhamchurch 2
Camborne 2
St Minver 2
St Columb Minor 2
Lanteglos by Camelford 2
St Breward 2
St Mabyn 2
Botus Fleming 1
Landulph 1
Gwinear 1
St Kew 1


Parishes for Blake female marriages
St Breock 9
St Minver 6
Bodmin 4
Enoder 2
Botus Fleming 1
Launceston, St Mary Magdalene 1
St Kew 1

Burials up to 1599 (OPC Cornwall website) total 86

St Breock 38
Bodmin 8
St Breward 5
Camborne 5
St Germans 4
St Minver 4
Sheviock 3
St Teath 3
Whitstone 3
St Columb Major 3
Illogan 2
St Just in Roseland 2
St Mabyn 2
Marhamchurch 2
St Austel 1
St Ewe 1



The same clustering is seen with the burials and I wonder why so many were buried at St Breock? One of my labels is incorrect it should be Kilkhampton.

Fascinating what the old records bring to the light of day. Without the Emigrant's Database 1330 to 1550 I would not have been aware of the arrival of so many Blake emigrants to England. Can one find Blake in Cornwall prior to 1500?

Diana Collins (1774 - 1834)

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52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 33

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Diana Collins married John Happerfield 21 Nov 1793 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Sarah married  John Shearwood 10 Jul 1821 at South Tidworth. Their daughter Jane married William Cotterill 21 Feb 1852 at Kimpton.

She is likely the Dinah Collins baptized 6 Mar 1774 at Collingbourne Kingston daughter of John Collins. This John Collings married Sarah Potter 9 Oct 1769 at Collingbourne Kingston. Since Dinah was 60 years of age when she died 9 Nov 1834 at South Tidworth this baptism fits very well. Plus the eldest daughter was named Sarah.

Collingbourne Kingston is  4.2 miles from North Tidworth  and 5 miles from South Tidworth. It is 7 miles from Kimpton and 8 miles from Ham. It is also nine miles from Woodborough.

Children baptized to John and Sarah Collings at Collingbourne Kingston:

Hester baptized 12 Aug 1770
Sarah baptized 16 Feb 1772
Dinah baptized 6 Mar 1774
John baptized 26 Jan 1777
Charles baptized 6 Jun 1779
Daniel baptized 12 Aug 1781

Trying to find further information  on John Collings/Collins and Sarah Potter was not yet possible.This ends my seven weeks on the possible natural ancestors of my grandmother Blake. I was unable to determine the surname of the wife of John Shearwood/Sheerwood/Sherwood. At a later date I may be able to do that. The next 52 Ancestor Challenge will be one of my Routledges, the third and last 4x Routledge great grandparent.

Ancestry of Diana Collins:

1. Jane SHERWOOD (b 12 Dec 1824) - Kimpton Hampshire England
2. Sarah HAPPERFIELD (b 31 Jul 1796) - South Tidworth Hampshire England
Possibly
3. Diana COLLINS (b 6 Mar 1774) - Collingbourne Kingston Wiltshire England
4. John COLLINGS

The demographics for the 2016 Ancestor Challenge

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Of the 64 people listed for next year's 52 Ancestor Challenge, 32 were born in the Province of Quebec, 17 were born in various counties in England (Hampshire (2), Dorset (2), Wiltshire (4), Devon (1), Somerset (1), East Riding of Yorkshire (1), Cumberland (1), Surrey (1), Leicestershire (1), Warwickshire (2), Norfolk (1)), 4 were born in Prussia (part of present day Germany), 2 were born in New York State, 2 were born in New Jersey, 4 were born in Nova Scotia, and 3 were born in the Province of present day Ontario.

Two of the people from Wiltshire will be the adopted grandparents of my paternal grandmother. Her natural mother raised her along with her stepfather so just two lines to look at there. The rest of my lines I talked about this year so will not discuss them again unless something new and exciting comes in. The other two that I will write about are the supposed parents of my great grandmother (my maternal grandmother's mother) and at the moment I have only family lore that is linking me to this set. Hopefully by the end of 2016 I will have more information.

The advantage to doing this ancestor challenge has already shown itself as I have found a number of interesting facts that I had not collected earlier. I have not visited some of these lines for six or seven years and there is so much material online. Plus I discovered a couple of corrections to surnames which have proven to be most beneficial breaking down brickwalls that have been longstanding for these lines.

The twelve people that I have omitted in this year's ancestor challenge were the ones about whom I knew very little or nothing. Sometimes I have just a first name for the wife and have not yet been able to break through that brick wall. I have two illegitimate lines thus far; my paternal grandmother (although I do know her mother's line) and the possible father's lines for her. The second illegitimate line is actually in this same line going back. It was my grandmother's grandmother Martha Peck who married George Lywood. Her mother was Elizabeth Peck and once again her mother raised her. I am somewhat suspicious that her father was a soldier fighting in the Napoleonic Wars. Martha's husband George Lywood was a soldier in these wars and did fight at Waterloo and that is also the likely case for another of my 3x great grandfathers Thomas Rawlins. I have no paper reason to think that but I am highly suspicious.

Reworking your material on a regular basis can be very rewarding. Now that I am no longer heavily involved in any society other than a member, I hope to do that more and more. I want to have my material already to hand on to the person who is most interested within my family and perhaps I will be lucky to find that person.

My Blake material I shall either turn over to the Society of Genealogists (probably the best place) or to a person interested in carrying on the one name study. My Pincombe material, the same, either to the Society of Genealogists or another researcher. I have already made enquiries at the Anglican Church Archives here to give them all my fiche and other research material. They would like to have that material although with everything coming on line they may change their minds.

I think it is good to keep uppermost in my mind this allocation of materials that I have collected.

Finally an 11/12 match for our paternal yDNA line

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A match has been a long time coming and still not quite here but in July FT DNA now has published an 11/12 match for our Blake yDNA line. The surname isn't Blake it is Messner and at 37 markers it is 30/37 so not a match in terms of any genealogical time frame. It raises my suspicion though that the haplogroup administrators for the I-L161 project have called this one correctly. This is an haplogroup that arose in southern Europe on the eastern side and traveled northwards very very early (likely 8000 to 10 000 years ago following the last glacial maximum). I should imagine that some members of the group simply stopped in places along the way where it suited them and this line is probably indicative of that. My own line continued on with that early group but likely stopped about where they would remain for the next 8000 years in southern England (Andover  Hampshire area) whilst the remaining group continued on into southern Ireland where this haplogroup is found most commonly in the British Isles.

Within this study group in the Blake yDNA study there are now five members. Two of them match 12/12 and the other three are 8/12 (my line), 7/12 and 5/12. The 7/12 I may yet assign to another subgroup because DYS459 is 10-10 instead of the usual 8-10 for this group. Is genetic drift at play here between my family result and the other two?

In terms of the 11/12 match I am able to look at it because it is part of the I-L161 project and the difference is DYS389I. But as mentioned the match is 30/37 so not related in a genealogical time frame and not in several thousand years probably. Interesting though to finally find someone who is such a close match after nine years.

The naming of my particular grouping for my paternal line at the I-L161 project is:

L161+ L1498+ S2703+ S2742+ A1514- CTS4122+ B4

The other two members of our group at Blake are placed in:

L161+ L1498+ S2703+ S2742- A1514- B2a

I must admit to being curious if members of this group (B2a) will test CTS4122 and be ancestral or dervied for that one. 

Grace Routledge (c 1736 - 1767)7

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52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 34

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown


Grace Routledge, my third and last 4x great grandparent with the surname Routledge, was the daughter of Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge. Immediately I have to admit I become curious as to whether or not this is also the Oakshaw Routledge family which often married 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins. George, husband of Grace, and already blogged as Challenge 10 of this 52 Ancestor Challenge:

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/03/george-routledge-1729-1816.html

was of the Oakshaw Routledge Family. Knowing that helps to place him into a family grouping of all the Routledge family groups in the Bewcastle, Cumberland area.

With this tendency to marry cousins I can look around for the marriage of Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge  and a most fortunate discovery that Thomas Routledge lived at Hill and Mary Routledge was from Kirkbeckstown at the time of their marriage. Thomas was the son of a Thomas Routledge and Mary the daughter of a William Routledge. They married 18 Nov 1733 at Bewcastle. I know from a will abstract given to me that their children were Adam, Grace, Henry, John and Mary.

Carlisle Record Office
Will of Archibald FORRESTER of Cleughside, Bewcastle [Bc] 1767, pg 63.
Grace Forrester, deceased [possibly the mother of John Routledge (named in will)]
John Forrester, Witness
Adam Routledge son of Mary, Widow
George Routledge, of Oakshaw , Bc , father of 2 children
Grace Routledge, daughter of Mary Routledge, Widow
Henry Routledge, s o Mary Routledge [widow?]
Henry Routledge of Borderrigg, deceased, father of 3 children [my 4x great grandfather]
John Routledge s o Mary Routledge, Wid
John Routledge, my “sister’s son, son of Grace (Forrester) Routledge (sister of testator)
Leondard Routledge of Oakshaw [son of Thomas Routledge son of William Routledge and Frances Little]
Mary Routledge of Crossgreens or Strandsheads, Widow, mother of Grace, Mary, Adam, John and Henry
Mary Routledge, daughter of Mary, Wid
William Routledge of Oakshaw, deceased, father of William Routledge
William Routledge of Oakshaw son of the late William Routledge
Francis Armstrong, Witness
Catherine Dowglass of Ash wife of Thomas Douglas
Thomas Dowglass [sic Douglas] of Ash husband of Catherine
Catherine Henderson daughter of Robert & Helenor Henderson
Helenor Henderson wife of Robert and mother of Catherine
Robert Henderson husband of Helenor & father of Catherine
Alexander Kennedie of Cleughside, Friend, husband of Sibella
Catherine Kennedie of Cleughside, daughter of Alexander
Elizabeth Kennedie of Cleughside
John Kennedie of Cleughside son of Alexander
Sibella Kennedie of Cleughside wife of Alexander
William Kennedie of Cleughside son of Alexander

The bolded items make this will abstract especially interesting as George and Grace, and Henry (of Broderrigg) are three of my 4x great grandparents. Finding that Mary Routledge (widow whose husband was Thomas Routledge of Hill) of Kirkbeckstown was Grace's mother was a real surprise as I tentatively had her as the daughter of Thomas Routledge and Elizabeth Storye (this Thomas being of Oakshaw and brother to Henry of Broderrigg). The Kennedy family included may also prove to be interesting as Grace Routledge (daughter of my 3x great grandparents Thomas Routledge (son of Henry above) and Elizabeth Routledge (daughter of George and Grace above)) married George Arthur Kennedy in 1810 at Bewcastle.

My mother remembered there were a number of close cousin marriages in her Routledge ancestry. Thomas Routledge of Hill and/or Mary Routledge of Kirkbeckstown could be related to the Oakshaw family; I still need to work on that. Henry Routledge at Broderrigg was born at Oakshaw.

The forename Leonard occurs in three different families at Bewcastle in this time period just to work through that name mentioned on the abstract of the will:

Leonard baptized 10 Sep 1743 at Bewcastle and the son of Thomas) is one of seven children so why single him out? The other families mentioned Catherine wife of Thomas Douglas and Helenor wife of Robert Henderson and Sibella wife of Alexander Kennedie could all be Routledge with their maiden names but they do not fit into this particular family.

 Leonard baptized 3 Jul 1743 at Bewcastle and the son of Thomas Routledge and Elizabeth Storye is of the Oakshaw family. This Thomas is a likely brother to my Henry Routledge. He had a brother William but this William died as an infant and he had two sisters Jane and Grace.

Leonard Routledge baptized 21 Apr 1746 at Bewcastle is the son of Robert Routledge and Mary Mawers (married at Lanercost) and he is one of nine children but does have a sister Helenor.

Grace Routledge (my 4x great grandmother) married  George Routledge 16 Jun 1763 at Bewcastle and they had two daughters by 1767 as mentioned in the will abstract above. Elizabeth baptized 27 Aug 1763 at Bewcastle (my 3x great grandmother) and Margaret (Peggy) baptized 24 Apr 1765 at Bewcastle and buried 7 Jun 1767 at Stapleton. Grace was buried 10 Mar 1767 at Stapleton. She would have been about 31 years of age at the time of her death.

Her father Thomas Routledge was the son of a Thomas Routledge and had married in 1733. Looking for a baptism of a Thomas Routledge son of Thomas Routledge in the early 1700s yielded:

Thomas baptized 6 May 1701 son of Thomas Routledge of Kirkbeckstown

Her mother Mary Routledge was the daughter of William Routledge this yielded:

Mary baptized 23 Mar 1709 daughter of William Routledge of Akshaw [Oakshaw]

This Mary is a sister to my 4x great grandfather Henry Routledge and their mother was Grissell Routledge (I have not yet fitted her into a family line).  This is not the William Routledge mentioned in the will as his son William died as an infant (two children named William).

Interesting that the will also refers to a William Routledge  of Oakshaw. There is a William Routledge son of William Routledge of Oakshaw baptized 28 Jan 1702. But why does it give Mary's location as Kirkbeckstown. Interesting dilemma and will continue to sort through the records for Bewcastle but it would give a logical progression for this family if Mary  (mother of Grace) was of Oakshaw and sister of Henry.

Ancestry of Grace Routledge:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
3. John Routledge PINCOMBE (b 10 Sep 1872)- Lobo Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
4. Grace GRAY (b 22 Mar 1839) - London Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
5. Mary ROUTLEDGE (b 1804 and b 23 Jun 1813) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
6. Elizabeth ROUTLEDGE (b 27 Aug 1763) - (Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England

Elizabeth's father's line
7. George ROUTLEDGE (b 18 Apr 1729) - (born at Todhills lived at Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England
8. George ROUTLEDGE (b 10 Mar 1692) - (born at Stubb and lived at Raw) Bewcastle Cumberland England

Elizabeth's mother's line
7. Grace ROUTLEDGE (b c 1730s) - Bewcastle Cumberland England

Grace's father's line
8. Thomas ROUTLEDGE (b 6 May 1701) - Kirkbeckstown Bewcastle Cumberland England
9. Thomas ROUTLEDGE

Grace's mother's line
8. Mary ROUTLEDGE - (b 27 Mar 1709) - Bewcastle Cumberland England

Mary's father's line
9. William ROUTLEDGE

Mary's mother's line:
9. Grissel ROUTLEDGE 

This looks very interesting on paper and certainly the marriage records lead me to this thinking that Mary mother of Grace Routledge and Henry father of Thomas Routledge are siblings and of Oakshaw. They are mentioned in the same will as other Oakshaw Routledge families so not unexpected.

I have a lot of Routledge lines with 3 of 4x great grandparents born Routledge. Going back another generation and looking at the six lines at least four are Routledge. I know that George Routledge (b 1729) was the son of George and Blanche Routledge and I suspect that Blanch's surname was also Routledge. I do not know the surname of the wife of Thomas Routledge (b 1701). 



23 and Me

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I have now completed testing for 23 and Me for both my brother and myself. As it turns out we are as far apart as two siblings can be and still be full siblings. The usual range for siblings is 2640 to 3400. We match at 2646 at 23 and Me. So I can expect to see displayed the greatest variety between the two of us for our ethnicity and the results did not disappoint in that regard.

Myself                My Brother                       %  Region
99.9%                    99.8%                               European
98.5%                    97.2%                               Northern European
54.2%                    47.3%                               British and Irish
14.4%                    20.9%                               French and German
  2.0%                      1.0%                               Scandinavian
27.9%                    28.0%                               Broadly Northern European

  0.3%                      0.9%                               Southern European
                               less than 0.1%                  Italian
  0.3%                      0.8%                               Broadly Southern European
  0.2%                      0.2%                               Ashkenazi
  0.8%                      1.5%                               Broadly European
  0.1%                      0.1%                               Oceanian
less than  0.1%        less than 0.1%                North African and Middle East
                                Less than 0.1%               Sub saharan Africa
   0.1%                     0.1%                               Unassigned          

One does hear that 23 and Me are meant to have the best ethnicity estimatations. They do use 31 populations worldwide.

I think perhaps what I like best is that we are very close the only really big differences are in the estimate of British and Irish and in French and German.  Thus far our ancestry has proven to be 100% English back to the 1500s but I have a couple of lines that are brickwalled where the possibility of something different may be hiding behind that wall. Plus my Routledge line is definitely Scot prior to 1400 making me an ancient Scot. Is British and Irish just a heading used for you whether you have British or Irish or does it mean that you have both British and Irish (where British refers to England, Scotland and Wales). I will read up to understand that. The Italian in my brothers was totally unexpected. Every DNA test has found Ashkenazi so I know that somewhere in my distant past I do have Jewish ancestors. Not sure how far back but a couple of us are working on that as I have a number of Jewish matches in all my projects. The African and Middle Eastern shows our roots and it is amazing that 60,000 years have passed since my lines left Africa but still a tiny amount clings to one gene (I suspect that is my mother's side because her lines were in Devon and it has been mentioned that one does find Middle East/Africa/Southern Europe in Devon and Cornwall DNA results). Wouldn't it be nice if we could know which of the two genes is our father's donation and which is our mother's donation. That may come gradually as I understand the matches.

I highly recommend testing at all the major companies so that you are in their databases. It is my genealogy money well spent I think especially Family Finder at FT DNA, or test at Ancestry or 23 and Me where autosomal testing is always done. I started out on my genealogy buying fiche of parishes and wills but now all of that is online in the various databases (or coming online). The next stage of genealogy does appear to be DNA.

Pincombe autosomal results

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Finally my Pincombe DNA project is starting to come together. I have two autosomal Pincombe matches and a third to come very shortly. Since some of my siblings have tested these results are duplicated and triplicated in various sets of results. I am now realizing that I am seeing not just my Pincombe line but also the line of John Pincombe (the emigrant)'s wife Elizabeth Rew and the wife of his father Robert Pincombe namely Elizabeth Rowcliffe. That is because the two Pincombe results I have thus far are showing differences. I think this is going to be very worthwhile. Because my mother's brother did not have any children and my grandfather was the only child in his family to survive I do not have any first cousins and only half second cousins in this line to test. The rest are my third cousins and fourth cousins etc. Hence the matches are with third and fourth cousins thus far. I am writing to one of my half second cousins to see if he would consider testing. I would then have William Robert (my great grandfather) and his second wife who will also match as she is my second cousins twice removed, her mother having been Lydia Elworthy who was the daughter of Richard Elworthy and Elizabeth Pincombe (John Pincombe the emigrant's sister). However, I should see a match with him and my third cousin once removed who is descended from John Pincombe (brother to my William Robert) and the sister of Lydia Elworthy named Maria.

We will see how that goes! Finding other Pincombe cousins to test would be really great and there is still Richard Pincombe's descendants (whom I have met and remember) and they will have Pincombe, Rowcliffe and Rew and they are my third cousins as Richard was a younger brother to William Robert.

Why am I doing this? I need to keep remembering as I do not want to lose the greater picture by becoming completely immersed in my own direct line. The Pincombe/Pinkham one name study is more than 75 years old now and the data collection preceded the Second World War most fortunately for us as Richard Pinkham went to the Record Office in Devon and abstracted all the Pincombe wills that were there including the one of my 4x great grandfather John Pincombe. He, however, was of the opinion that the Pincombe family and the Pinkham family had a common ancestor and was working towards that thought.

I do not have a preconceived notion on all of this and I really prefer to keep the study intact that he produced but it may undergo a few changes. Gradually over time as the DNA results come in from Pinkham and Pincombe members around the world we may see an answer to the question - were they one and the same family?

Margaret Tweddle (1728 - likely by 1818)

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52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 35

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

Margaret Tweddle was baptized 6 Mar 1728 at Lanercost, Cumberland the daughter of Thomas Tweddle and Margaret Robson who were themselves married  18 May 1721 at Lanercost. They baptized seven children at Lanercost. Margaret Tweddle was buried at Lanercost 28 Feb 1734/1735 at Lanercost. Thomas was buried 7 Mar 1777 at Lanercost. They lived at Ringing Hills near Lanercost. In the Howard Papers C129-15 at the Carlisle Record Office there is a receipt from Charles Earl of Carlisle to Thomas Tweddle dated 1 Feb 1733 for Rinnion hills Farme. A nice copy of his signature and crest (Bobbie Jean Hooser has given me this information). Thomas Tweddle at the time of signing this lease was of Ash, Lanercost. The lease was for seven years at 46 pounds a year.



Their children all baptized at Lanercost:

John was baptized 4 Jan 1722, married Jane Smith and died intestate in 1763
Isabel baptized 30 May 1723
Jeffrey baptized 22 Sep 1725
Margaret baptized 6 Mar 1728; married Henry Routledge 3 Oct 1759 at Lanercost
Mary baptized 28 Aug 1729 and buried 5 Feb 1730/31 at Lanercost
Thomas baptized 7 Jan 1731; married Ann Armstrong 13 Jun 1765 at Lanercost, died 1795
Elizabeth baptized 26 Apr 1734; married William Armstrong 24 Jan 1762 at Lanercost

Thomas (married to Margaret Robson) was baptized 5 Jul 1693 at Lanercost (died 27 Feb 1777 at Ringing Hills, and buried 7 Mar 1777 at Lanercost). His father was Thomas Tweddle and his wife's name unknown but they baptized five children at Lanercost:

John baptized 30 Sep 1691 (likely buried before 1705)
Thomas baptized 5 Jul 1693; married Margaret Robson 18 May 1721 at Lanercost
Margaret baptized 24 Aug 1697; married John Armstrong 10 Oct 1721 at Lanercost
John baptized 16 Mar 1704/05 (this is likely the John Twedel who married Jane Tweddle 4 Jan 1722); married Sybella Routledge 26 Nov 1742 at Bewcastle
Isabel baptized 2 Jan 1707

I have not yet done any research on Thomas Tweddle prior to this time. I do know that the Protestation Returns list the following Tweddle males in Eskdale Ward:

Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweady    Rowland       
Eskdale    Stapleton        Twedall    Hinsord       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    John       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    David       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    John        of Hill
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Leonard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Leonard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweddall    Emont       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Hurbet       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward        Under Theuge
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward        of Burdowsell
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    John       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Franncis       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Thomas       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Burdowswell    Tweddall    Edward       
Eskdale    Cumrew        Tweddell    Nicholas       
Eskdale    Denton    Upper Denton    Tweddell    Thomas       
Eskdale    Denton    Upper Denton    Tweddell    John       
Eskdale    Farlam        Tweddell    James       
Eskdale    Farlam        Tweddell    Richard       
Eskdale    Lanercost    Triermaine    Tweedall    Robert       

Eskdale Ward includes both Lanercost and Bewcastle along with another seventeen parishes (Denton, Farlam, Cumrew and Stapleton also have Tweddle families living there in 1641-42).

Lanercost is divided into five areas plus Lanercost village - Triermaine, Burdowswell, Askerton, Bywaters and Kirkcammeck. By 1829 Rinnion Hills is listed as being part of the manor of Kingwater.

"There were four manors of Lanercost;  Askerton (which had Side, etc); Walton Wood; and Troddermain.  There were five townships:  Askerton, Banks, Burtholme, Kingwater and Waterhead.  Abbey Lanercost is in the small hamlet in Burtholme Twp on the north bank of the Irthing 2 ½ miles north of Brampton .  Askerton contained 74 dwellings in 1829 and lies between the river Line and Kingwater from 4 to 8 miles North of Brampton.  It comprises the ancient Parish of Kirkcambock or Cambeck, the church was ruined.  They are obliged to marry, bury and baptize at Lanercost and for their instruction in religion they go thither or to Stapleton, Bewcastle or whither they see fit.  Askerton Castle lies on the east bank of the Cambeck rivulet which flows to the Irthing built by the Barons Dacre for the residence of the Land Sergeantof Gilsland who commanded a few men in arms to protect the barony against the inroads of Moss-troopers.  The Earl of Carlisle’s manor of Trodder-main comprises the township of Askerton .  Banks Twp in 1829 was divided between the twps of Burtholme and Waterhead.  Gilsland had two large Inns.  Island, a hamlet is in Burtholme twp.  It containsthe hamlet of West-Hall and about 45 dispersed dwellings in 1829.  from 4-11 miles NNE of Brampton .  In the northern part of the twp  is a wild mountainous tract called Spadeadam Waste.  Waterhead Twp is divided from Northumberland by the river Irthing and had a number of detached swellings, with Gilsmalnd and Durdoswald.  West-HGalll a hamlet in Kirgwater Twp 5 miles N by E of Brampton.
Askerton:  Holme House, Knorron Lodge, Shopford, birkbush, Lines, Wintershields, Side, Lees Hill, Redsike, Floweryhurst, Smithsteads, Red Hill, Gillalees, Howdale, Kirkcambeck, Bogside, Allergarth, Floweryhurst, High Grains, Kirkcambeck, Fawcettlees, Gallabery, Askerton, Woodhead, Collinbank, High House, Bewsleybank, Hurdhill, Dollerline (Shopford, Bush).
Burtholme:  Barras foot; Garthside, Banks foot; Friarwaingate, Lanercost, Wall, burtholme, Moorfield, Moorfield, Hole head, Banksburn, Heugh, Crookstown, Holmes, Howgill, King hill, Abbey, Hare hill, callees, Whitefield, brownhurst, Abbey, Walton Woodhead, Low wall, St. Mary’s holme; Hayton gate
Kingwater:  Allanstead, Newfield, Kingsbridgeford, Harest,Palmerhill New House, Lees hill, West hall, Clarkshill, Rowntreehill, Heughgreen, Wileysidke, Rinnionhills, Swaites, Soglin, Spadeadam, Terrosset, Hallguards, Moorguards, park nook, Long lands, Hardest,
Waterhead:  Banks, Gilsland, breckneybed, Shaws hotel, Orchard House, chapel burn; Breckneybed, Snowdenclose, Lannerton, Killhill, Birdoswald, Slackhouse, Northrigghill, St Mary’holme, Highhouse, Miller hill, Wall holme; Hill, Troddermain, Underheugh, Carnetley, Leehill, Gunshole."

Source: History, Directory and Gazetteer of Cumberland and Westmorland, with Furness and Cartmel by Parson and White, 1829.


Thomas mentioned above as the father of Thomas Tweddle and grandfather of Margaret Tweddle married to Henry Routledge, would have likely been born after the Protestations Return of 1641-42 was taken. So I have no idea which of these men could be his father. Calling two sons John might make you think that he was the son of John but there are two John Tweddle's on this list. I do have some Tweddle wills and will take the time for this Challenge to transcribe them.

Date: 29 Jul 2015
Document: Will
Source: Carlisle Record Office, lib 76-77
Date of document: 7 May 1775, probated 18 May 1780
Author: John Tweddle
Relationship: unknown
Location: Banks Hill, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Document quality: 18th century English, bold, even writing

1    In the Name of God Amen I John Tweddle of Banks Hill in
2    the parish of Lanercost in the County of Cumberland Yeoman being
3    weak in Body but of Sound and Perfect mind and memory blessed be
4    God for the same Do make and publish this my Last Will and Testament
    [Page 2]
5    in manner and form following (that is to say) First I give and
6    bequeath unto Richard Tweddle my nearest Kinsman now living
7    at the Said house near Brampton Carrier the sum of one Shilling
8    to be paid one Month after my Decease, Also I give and bequeath to
9    my beloved Wife Alice Tweddle (whom I hereby make sole Executrix
10    of this my last Will and Testament) all the rest residue and Remainder
11    of all my personal Estate Money Goods and Chattels and all my
12    household furniture of which kind or Nature soever and to be disposed
13    of by her at her discretion Will and pleasure and I do hereby
14    appoint John Bell of the Abbey in the same parish and county
15    aforesaid Yeoman my Trustee to see that this my last Will and
16    Testament be faithfully and truly fulfilled hereby revokine all
17    former Wills heretofore by me at any time made ratifying and
18    confirming this and no other to be my last Will and Testament In
19    Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal this Seventh
20    Day of May one Thousand seven hundred and Seventy five
21    Mark of John X Tweddle {Seal]
22    Signed sealed published and declared by the above named John
23    Tweddle in the presence of us who have herewith subscribed our
24    Names as Witnesses in the presence of the Testator James Harding
25    John Bell Christopher Harding sworn Proved May 18th 1780


This John Twedall married Alice Hall 17 Dec 1724 at Cumwhitton, Cumberland (Find My Past). Cumwhitton is eight miles from Lanercost. John describes Richard as his kinsman. There is a Richard Tweddle baptized 28 Apr 1731 at Lanercost son of John Tweddle and also a Richard Tweddle baptized. A Mary Harding married Thomas Tweddle (my 1st cousin 5x removed) 28 Jun 1794 at Lanercost. However I do not have a Richard in this line. Some identify John Tweddle (uncle to this Thomas) as being the editor of this will and that he had a son Richard. I wonder why he just didn't name him as his son however and another dozen children are mentioned for John. I think that may be erroneous.

This next administration is for a person known to me. He is the brother of my 4x great grandmother Margaret Routledge.

Recorded: 30 Jul 2015
Source: Carlisle Record Office
Deceased: John Tweddle
Place: Ringing Hills, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Type of Record: Administration
Date of document:4 Jun 1763, administered 1 Jul 1763
Condition: 18th century English, legible copy


1    Know all Men by these Presents that We Thomas Tweddle
2    of Ringing Hills in the County of Cumberland Husbandman William
3    Armstrong of Askerton in said County Yeo and Henry
4    Routledge of Bewcastle in the said County Yeo
5    are held and firmly bound unto the Right Reverend Father in God Charles by
6    Divine Permission Lord Bishop of Carlisle in One hundred forty pounds of
7    of good and lawful Money of Great Britain, to be paid unto the said Lord Bishop or to
8    hi certain Attorney his Executors Administrators or Assigns, to which Payment well and
9    truly to be made We oblige ourselves and each of us by himself
10    for the whole our and every of our Heirs Executors and Administrators firmly
11    by these Presents Sealed with our Seals dated the fourth day of
12    June in the third Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George
13    the third by the Grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland King Defender
14    of the Faith and so forth And in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred
15    and sixty three
16    The Condition of this Obligation is such That if the above bounden
17    Thomas Tweddle natural and lawful Brother of
18    John Tweddle late of Ringing Hills afores[ai]d
19    Yeoman deceased intestate and
20    Administrator of all and singular the Goods, Chattels and Credits of the said Deceased
21    do make or cause to be made a true and perfect Inventory of all and singular the Goods
22    Chattles and Credits of the said deceased which have or shall come to the Hands Possession
23    or Knowledge of him the said Thomas Tweddle or into
24    the Hands and Possession of any Person or Persons for him and the same so made do exhibit
25    or cause to be exhibited into the Registry of the Consistory Court of Carlisle at or before
26    last day of Sept next ensuing and the same Goods, Chattles
27    and Credits and all other the Goods Chattles and Credits of the said deceased at the time
28    of his death which at anytime after shall come to the hands or Possession of the said
29    Thomas Tweddle  or into the hands and Possession of any other
30    Person or Persons for him do well and truly administer according to Law And further do
31    make or cause to be made a true and just Account of his said Administration at or before
32    the last day of June 1764 and all the Rest and Residue of the said Goods Chattles
33    and Credits which shall be found remaining upon the said Administrators Accompt the
34    same being first examined and allowed of by the judge or judges for the time being of the said
35    Court shall deliver and pay unto such Person or Persons respectively as the said Judge or Judges
36    by his or their Decree or Sentence pursuant to the true Intent and Meaning of a late Act of
37    Parliament made in the two and twentieth and three and twentieth Years of the Reign of our
38    late Sovereign Lord King Charles the Second Intituled an Act for the better settling of Intestates
39    Estates which limit and appoint And if it shall hereafter appear that any last Will and Testament
40    was made by the said deceased and the Executor or Executors therein named do exhibit
41    the same into the said Court making Request to have it allowed and approved accordingly
42    if the said Thomas Tweddle above bounden being thereunto required
43    do render and deliver the said Letters of Administration (Approbation of such Testament being
44    first had and made) in the said Court then this Obligation to be void or else to remain in full Force
45    and Virtue
46    Thomas Tweddle
47    Signed and delivered (being first duly
48    Stamped in the Presence of
49    Henry Waugh
50    William Armstrong
51    Henry Routledge
    [Page 2]
52    Carlisle June 4th 1763
53    On which day appeared personally Thomas Tweddle
54    and aledged
55    that John Tweddle late of Ringhinhills
56    in the parish of Lannercost and Diocese of
57    Carlisle Husbandman deceased died intestate without making any
58    Will so far as he doth know or believe That Jane Tweddle Widow of
60    the said deceased renounced her right to the Administration since dead and that
61    he the said Thomas was the real and lawful Brother of the said deceased
62    Therefore he prayed Letter of Administration of all and
63    singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of the said deceased
64    to be committed and granted to him the said Thomas
65    Tweddle on his giving good and sufficient security
66    in that behalf
67    The said Thomas Tweddle was
68    sworn in due form of Law
69    the truth of the presence and to faithfully
70    Administer and to the truth of the
71    Inventory
72    Before me
73    Hen: Richardson
74    Surrog.
    [Page 3]
75    Know all Men by these presents that I Jane
76    Tweddle Widow Relict of John Tweddle late of
77    Ringhin Hills in the parish of Lannercost in the County
78    of Cumberland and Diocese of Carlisle Husbandman deceased
79    intestate for divers good causes and considerations me hereunto
80    especially moving Do renounce the Letter of Administration
81    of all and singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of the
82    said deceased, and to thee end that this my Renunciation
83    may have its due effect I do hereby inpower any one of
84    the Proctors of the Consistory Court of Carlisle to exhibite
85    this my Renunciation before the Worshipful and reverend
86    John Waugh Doctor of Laws Vicar general and Official
87    principal of the said Consistory Court or his Surrogate
88    or other competent Judge in this behalf and pray the same
89    to be admitted and enacted And I do hereby satisfy and
90    confirm what such Proctor shall lawfully do forwith
91    in my name touching the premises In Witness
92    whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal
93    the eleventh day of May in the year of our Lord
94    One thousand seven hundred and sixty three
95    Jane Tweddle
96    Signed Sealed and Delivered
97    (being first duly stamped)
98    in the presence of us
99    Robt Latimer
100    William Armstrong
    [Page 4]
101    A true full and perfect Inventory of all and singular the
102    goods Chattels and Credits of John Tweddle
103    late of Ringinghills in the Parish of Lanercost
104    the Ciocese of Carlisle Yeoman deceased Appraized
105    on the Sixth day of April 1763 By William
106    Armstrong and Henry Routledge
107         L  s  d
108    His Horses, Apparell and Riding Furniture    10   0   0
109    Milk Cows    12   0   0
110    Young Cattle    12   0   0
111    Young Horses     5    0   0
112    Corn     7   0   0
113    Clock     3   0   0
114    Dresser     3   0   0
115    Press     2   0   0
116    Bedds and Bedding     7   0   0
117    Carts and Husbandry Gear with some   
118    other Household furniture     6  16   0
119                                                  £    67   16   0
120    Appraisors William Armstrong sworn
121    Henry Routledge sworn

The last will of the set that I purchased from the Carlisle Record Office is for Thomas Tweddle brother of John Tweddle and my 4x great grandmother Margaret Routledge.

Date: 30 Jul 2015
Document: Will
Source: Carlisle Record Office, lib 1159
Date of document: 25 Nov 1794, probated 4 Apr 1795
Author: Thomas Tweddle
Relationship: 4th great granduncle
Location: Ringon Hills, Lanercost, Cumberland, England
Document quality: 18th century English, bold, even writing

[Heading] Thomas Tweddle

1    In the Name of God Amen November the twenty fifth day
2    1794 I Thomas Tweddle of Ringon hills in the parish of Lanner
3    costand County Cumberland HusbandMan Being very Sick and weak
4    of Body but of perfect mind and Memory thanks be given unto God
5    Do mak and appoint this my last Will and Testament that is to
6    say principally I recommend my Soul to God that Gave it and my
7    Body to the Earth to be buried in a Decent manner and as touching
8    such worldly goods as it hath pleased God to bless me with I Give
9    devise and bequeath to my Daughter Margaret Holme Twenty pounds
10    together with one meal Christ standing on the low hous Loft I also
11    give and bequeath to my Daughter Mary Tweddle Sixty pounds
12    Also I give and bequeath to my Daughter Ann Tweddle Sixty
13    Pounds I likewise Give and bequeath to my Daughter Susanna
14    Tweddle Sixty Pounds I further give and bequeath to my three
15    youngest Daughters Mary Tweddle Ann Tweddle and Susanna
16    Tweddle the two best Oak presses one Dresser in the Kitchen
17    and the furniture theiron and Corner Cubert with the Cheaney
18    and Silver Spoons from and Tea tongs their in three Round
19    tables two Box Irons and bedstead standing at the West
20    end of the parlor loft one bedstead standing facen the stare
21    head on the Kitchen loft Also all the Bedding Sheets Cloth
22    and table linnins and all the Cloth of every kind and that
23    lint wheals they shall chuise on a long Chack Real one wolen
24    wheal of their Chuisen to be Divided among them shair and
25    shair alike Except two Beds furnished according to their
26    Discretion and they shall think fit and the Clothing on the close
27    Bed as it stands which I give unto and bequeath with all my
28    Money and the Rest of my Goods and Effects to my two Sons
29    Thomas Tweddle and Robert Tweddle whom I make sole Executors
30    of this my last Will and Testament and I do hereby utterly
31    disallow revoke and disannual all and Every other wills Testaments
32    Legacies bequests and Executors by me at any time heare to fore
33    Named and made Willed and bequeathed Ratifying and Confirming this
34    and no other to be my last Will and Testament In Witness
35    whereof I have hereunto Set my Hand and Seal the the day and
36    Year above written Thomas Tweddle [s] Witness
37    Joseph Armstrong Sworn Mary Harding
38    Proved April 4th 1795


Margaret Routledge returned to live at Lanercost after the death of her husband Henry as their eldest son William died at Askerton. But did she marry? There are burials for Margaret Routledge but I am not sure which one is her however I am convinced that she had died before Thomas emigrated to Canada in 1818 as he would not have likely left his mother behind. She did not come with them as far as I have been able to determine.

The Tweddle family remained at Askerton into the 1800s. They did not emigrate with the Routledges to London Township, Middlesex County. 

Ancestry of Margaret Tweddle:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Helen Louise PINCOMBE (b 18 Oct 1916) - Westminster Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
3. John Routledge PINCOMBE (b 10 Sep 1872)- Lobo Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
4. Grace GRAY (b 22 Mar 1839) - London Township Middlesex County Ontario Canada
5. Mary ROUTLEDGE (b 1804 and b 23 Jun 1813) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
6. Thomas ROUTLEDGE (b 25 Jul 1763) - Bewcastle Cumberland England
7. Margaret TWEDDLE (b 6 Mar 1728) - Lanercost Cumberland England
8. Thomas TWEDDLE (b 6 Jul 1693) - Ringing Hills Lanercost Cumberland England
9. Thomas TWEDDLE (b c 1660s)



Charley family

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An interesting set of emails have gone back and forth between another member of the Charley family and myself. This Charley family is mentioned in the published book on the Charley family by Irene H Charley published in 1970 and titled: The Romance of the Charley Family. The crest of the Charley family appears on the front of the book. Chapter 13 talks about the Charley family of Jamaica and this individual is a descendant of that family.

My own line does not appear in the book as such but would possibly be considered to be in the chapter about North Devon although the spelling is Charlie by the priest. He had Mary sign as Mary Pincombe so I shall never know how she spelled her name! unless I am rather lucky.   For those unable to obtain a copy of this particular publication, The Devon family of North Devon is said to be descendant of a Hugh Charley who was of Irish descent. That this Hugh Charley came from Belfast and that they were located in Combe Martin and Kentisbury as yeoman farmers. I have recorded records for the Hugh Charley family at Combe Martin and Kentisbury in another blog:

http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/search/label/Kentisbury

Chapter 10, page 69 begins the chapter on The Charleys of North Devon. Mention is made of a Hugh Charley and his wife Izis and for whom spoons were apparently created with the date 1761 and the initial I.C. They farmed at Combe Martin and Kentisbury. The oldest record that I have for a Charley family at Combe Martin is the baptism of the oldest child of Hugh and Charity Charley named Hugh and this baptism took place 25 Jan 1676. Most of the information is on the Charley family in the 1800s and1900s with a comment that they had been in North Devon for several centuries.

According to the book there is a marriage of Hugh Chorley (did he leave Ulster?) marrying Izis Watts at Bradford 17 Nov 1668. Is he the Hugh Charley found at Combe Martin as a church warden in 1699 (the book hints at that). A silver spoon was handed down in the North Devon family with the initials I.C. 1761.

The book has carefully gathered together a lot of information on the Charley families around the world with a number of genealogical charts. I can not yet place my Mary Charlie/Charley in any of these families although she likely was born in North Devon somewhat closeby to Bishops Nympton where she married John Pincombe in 1767. That she signed the parish register at this time is interesting in itself.


She has signed her name with a clear hand and nicely formed letters.

There are no other Charley/Chorley/Churley/Charlie families in the Bishop Nympton parish records at this time.

It is always nice to hear from possible cousins and I have a match on autosomal DNA with a person who has a Charley in his line. If we are able to find the common ancestor this might lead back to the Charley family at Comb Martin.

Triangulation of autosomal DNA results

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To really determine if the matches that you see are real you need to triangulate the results and I finally have a set of results where I can do that.

My Pincombe family which has been slow to work on in terms of DNA has proven to be my first family where I can triangulate results. This is an interesting family and it is also one of my one name studies so I have been looking at the paper/microfilmed records since 2006. The study was first begun in the 1930s by a young family doctor in England who was in the mid 1990s approaching his mid 90s and had to give up his research due to failing eyesight. But in 65 years he collected a lot of material including making abstracts of the Pincombe/Pinkham wills located at the Devon Record Office prior to the bombing of that office during World War II. Even better he deposited that material at the Society of Genealogists where a fourth cousin of mine (Pincombe) made copies of his charts and sent them off to me (she was not aware of the will abstracts at that time, I found them on a visit to the SOG library in 2013). His premise along with another researcher from the United States was that the Pincombe and the Pinkham family shared common ancestry and looking at the family charts that he produced this does appear to be the case where Pincombe and Pinkham were used interchangeably in several of the these families' trees. My own line at Bishops Nympton/South Molton/North Molton and area used the Pincomb/Pincombe spelling with no exceptions thus far. Although here in Canada my great grandfather and his family were recorded on the census as Pinkham once. I think that must have brought a sharp rebuke on  his part as it was considered to be extremely important to get the spelling of this name right and that carried on right down to my mother and her brother - essential to spell the name Pincombe!

The story really begins in Bishops Molton Devon where Richard Pincombe (son of William Pincombe and Emotte Snow) first appears in the parish registers there baptizing his son William along with his wife Anne. The next appearance is the burial of his wife and a young daughter and all of this occurring between 1598 and 1601. Richard remarried at Bishops Nympton and it is these two lines of his that form the Pincombe families that are found in Bishops Nympton right up to the middle of the 20th century. My mother knew her family line back to John Pincombe and Grace Manning who married at Bishops Nympton 20 Mar 1725 and baptized three children there:

William Pincombe baptized 20 Jun 1727 and married to Grace Smyth 13 Jun 1758 at North Molton (Grace's parents were John Smyth and Grace Shapland). They had one son William who was 21 years of age when he died and his parents both died in 1783.

John Pincombe baptized 13 Feb 1728 and married to Mary Charley/Charlie 8 Nov 1767 at Bishops Nympton. They had six children. Mary is perhaps the daughter of Hugh and Mary Charley of Kentisbury or of Richard and Joan Charley of Comb Martin (the second one is a new possibility suggested to me by a cousin (by DNA testing). All of their children married and the lines at Bishops Nympton come from these children or from the children of John Pincombe and Johane Blackmoore who married 25 Sep 1655 also at Bishops Nympton.

Grace baptized 7 Mar 1732 and married to John Butcher 31 Mar 1755 at Bishops Nympton. They had four children with two dying as infants and Grace herself was buried 16 Jun 1763 at Bishops Nympton.

I decided that to do a good job on this one name study I needed to understand my family very well and that has been a good tactic for me. Others go into one name study to find their family lines but in my case my lines were known to me in both Blake and Pincombe for centuries back. Hence I could provide material that could help people to either belong to my lines or eliminate all of them and concentrate in another area. Then DNA became the tool of the day and I decided to try and use it to look at the one name study for the Pincombe/Pinkham family.

It was an almost immediate failure as the yDNA of known long standing Pinkham lines did not match the yDNA result of my fifth cousin in Australia. I moved back from looking at yDNA but then autosomal DNA became more interesting and available and I suddenly had a couple of cousins that I could triangulate results to give me sections of chromosome that I could label Pincombe. That has moved along somewhat and I would now like to separate those "Pincombe" areas into "Rew,""Rowcliffe," and "Charley/Charlie." That will require more matches but I wanted to be ready to do that and so I charted the common areas thus far in our joint Pincombe ancestry.

The two individuals that I have so far with known Pincombe ancestry with respect to mine are a fourth cousin and a third cousin once removed. In all cases my siblings match these two individuals better than I do. The advantage to testing siblings is becoming more and more apparent as autosomal testing begins to dominate family studies other than straight line back yDNA studies. I know that Chromosome 6 and Chromosome 11 both contain matches with three sets of people (where my siblings and I constitute one set) and we know that we all share the same common ancestry from Robert Pincombe and Elizabeth Rowcliffe who married at Bishops Nympton 7 Jun 1803 and Robert was a son of John Pincombe and Mary Charley/Charlie mentioned earlier. Robert and Elizabeth had eight children and one of these children emigrated to the United States, two emigrated to Canada (a third also emigrated but was lost in the sinking of the Bark John in 1855 along with his entire family), one emigrated to Australia but his family remained in England, two others remained in England with one marrying and the eighth died at fifteen years of age. The Canadian family is mine and one of the sons of one of the emigrant families married a daughter of the other emigrant family thus creating a rather good set of Pincombe results for DNA investigation to compare with descendants which may enable the marking of sections as mentioned above (the wifes of these Pincombe men).

More results are coming so I should soon be able to report on this triangulation effort and assist other Pincombe descendants who suspect they may be related to this particular Pincombe line. Since I have for the most part traced down all of the lines from Richard first at Bishops Nympton in 1598, I am able to help people link to my line. I would like to do the same with other Pincombe families who also emigrated to Canada as I suspect they are descendant of the Bishops Nympton/North Molton/South Molton Pincombe families. This will be a rather interesting tool I think but needs more people to test their autosomal DNA who have Pincombe ancestry.

I also have Pinkham autosomal results  and knowing that this surname was not used in my line by the holders throughout the centuries it is not likely that we will find common points of ancestry between us and that is the case thus far but some of the Pincombe/Pinkham lines did use the surname interchangeably so these lines may be assisted by autosomal testing once we have built up a large enough set of data to utilize in that regard. The test though is limited to fourth cousin or less for largish chunks of autosomal DNA to match but there could be over time smaller chunks of DNA that could be attached to particular surnames although I like to work with 10 centimorgan lengths but time will tell just how small a chunk could be labeled. DNA is a new field and evolving rapidly. When my husband and I first tested back in 2006 it was a novelty. I did it to see my route out of Africa for both my maternal and paternal lines (my brother kindly tested for me).




William Dove (1755 - 1829)

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52 Ancestor Challenge - Challenge 36

Blake, King, Coleman, Pearce, Farmer, Mary (unknown), Lambden, Sarah (unknown), Knight, Ellis, Knight, Vincent, Butt, O'Ford, Arnold, Molton, Cotterell, Bartlett, Alderman, Shepherd, Sherwood, Elizabeth (unknown), Happerfield, Collins, Rawlings, Tanner, Dove, Morgan, Lywood, Lanham, unknown, Peck, Pincombe, Charley, Rowcliffe, Pearse, Rew, Moggridge, Siderfin, Kent, Gray, Hilton, Cobb, Sproxton, Routledge, Tweddle, Routledge, Routledge, (unknown) Buller, unknown, Beard, Hemsley, Welch, Brockhouse, Cheatle, Woodcock, unknown Taylor, unknown, Harborne, Lewis, Roberts, Croxall, Lawley, unknown

The Dove family was a brickwall for me for quite a while. I had found the marriage of  Thomas Rawlins/Rawlence and Mary Dove 9 Dec 1807 at Woodford but was hesitant to use it. Why did Thomas go from Enford to Woodford? But his father Jeremiah had gone from Enford to Tilshead to marry. Gradually as I had a chance to go through the parish registers for Woodford and surrounding areas I realized that there weren't any Rawlins/Rawlings/Rawlence families there and that the Thomas Rawlence marrying there was likely my Thomas Rawlins. But that brought up a new mystery why the long period before any children were born to this couple (not before 1813)?

I had an email from a descendant of a Sarah Rawlins who had been born in North America (Halifax) daughter of Thomas and Mary Rawlins (circa 1812). I have been suspicious that Thomas had been in the army during the Napoleonic Wars with his cousin George Lywood but no proof has arrived in any of the online databases thus far. I continue to hunt out that information.

Scouring the parish registers of Woodford I did find  a Robert Dove baptized 14 Apr 1793 at Woodford and buried there 6 Aug 1793 son of William and Jane Dove. Hunting around for this couple I found a marriage 1 Jan 1783 at St Thomas Salisbury, Wiltshire for William Dove and Jane Morgan. I estimated the birth of Mary Dove to be circa 1786 as the marriage with Thomas Rawlins and Mary Dove was 9 Dec 1807 at Woodford. Searching through the Woodford Registers I could not find a baptism for a Mary Dove. However, I did find a baptism for a Harry Dove 5 Jul 1789. I found a burial for another child William 21 Jul 1807 for this couple. There is also a William Dove buried at the age of 73 years 9 Sep 1829 (died 6 Sep 1829) which would give him a birth year circa 1756. He lived at Heale, Woodford at the time of his death.

I did find a baptism for William Dove 4 May 1755 son of William and Mary Dove at Woodford. I found a burial for a Mary Dove (born circa 1719) 4 Jun 1787 at Woodford.  William (father of William, likely buried 21 Apr 1779) and Mary (buried 4 Jun 1787) Dove have records for five children at Woodford:

Henry baptized 24 Nov 1751
William baptized 4 May 1755 and married to Jane Morgan 1 Jan 1783 at Salisbury
Samuel baptized 27 Mar 1757 and buried 29 Nov 1758 at Woodford
Ann buried 30 Apr 1764 at Woodford
Robert baptized 30 Apr 1763 and buried 30 Jul 1769 at Woodford

That was all that I found for the Dove family at Woodford (I have a printout of the parish registers for baptisms and burials). But I also looked at the microfilm for Woodford at Salt Lake City in 2008. At that time I also looked at the marriage register but did not find a marriage for William Dove and Jane at Woodford. There aren't any records for a Morgan family at Woodford in the set of parish registers.

I have not yet investigated Find My Past for this family. I found the burial of Jane Dove 2nd quarter 1839 at Amesbury RD. This is perhaps my 4x great grandmother. I will leave Jane for the next challenge day however as that will be her turn. There is a William Dove baptized 19 Jan 1718 at Tilshead son of Henry and Sarah Dove. Could this be the father of William baptized 1755? This William named his first son Henry.  The Tilshead is interesting as that is the location for the marriage of Jeremiah Rawlins and Sarah Tanner.

Family Search has a number of baptisms:

Henry Dove son of Henry and Sarah baptized 28 Mar 1715 at Shrewton (3 miles from Tilshead)
James Dove son of Henry and Sarah baptized 13 Jun 1716 at Tilshead
John Dove son of Henry and Sarah baptized 31 May 1717 at Tilshead
William Dove son of Henry and Sarah baptized 19 Jan 1718 at Tilshead
Thomas Dove son of Henry and Sarah baptized 27 Jun 1720 at Tilshead
Sarah Dove daughter of Henry and Sarah baptized 18 Mar 1721 at Tilshead; buried 6 Oct 1723

There is also a baptism for a Henry Dove son of Henry and Mary Dove 26 Dec 1688 at Woodford. Evidently I did not go back far enough in the parish registers in 2008!  I found a Mary Dove buried 30 Oct 1733 at Woodford and she is perhaps the mother of this Henry.

Back to Find My Past to look at Henry Dove again. There is a will for Henry Dove senior a cordwainer who lived at Hamptworth Downton and left a will probated in 1703. I shall have a look for that to see if it has been scanned (not yet available). There is a marriage for Henry Dove and Sarah Elderton in 2 May 1714 at Andover Hampshire. Could this be the Henry and Sarah at Tilshead? This marriage date fits in with the baptisms. Another marriage of interest between Henry Dove and Mary Biggs 16 Jul 1684 at Durnford (2 miles from Woodford).

Always interesting finding families that link with places and there is this Dove family going from Woodford to Tilshead and then back to Woodford (are they one and the same?). At another time I must locate the marriage registers for Woodford again and Tilshead.There is a baptism for a Henry Dove son of Henry baptized 23 Jan 1656/57 at Downton (10 miles from Woodford). This Henry married Rebecca Mowdy 28 Jul 1656 at Downton.

I started the day with William Dove baptized 4 May 1755 at Woodford Wiltshire so the results have been most interesting. Perhaps a clue that one of his children was named Harry (a nickname for Henry!) leads me back to the grandfather of William baptized 1755!

Ancestry of William Dove:

1. Elizabeth BLAKE
2. Ernest Edward George BLAKE (b 20 Aug 1904) - Eastleigh Hampshire England
3. Edith Bessie TAYLOR (b 1 Apr 1875) - Kimpton Hampshire England
4. Elizabeth RAWLINGS (b 19 Oct 1853) - Enford Wiltshire England
5. William RAWLINGS (b 1825) - Enford Wiltshire England
6. Mary DOVE (b c 1790) - Woodford Wiltshire England
7. William DOVE (b 4 May 1755) - Woodford Wiltshire England
possibly
8. William DOVE (b 19 Jan 1718) - Tilshead Wiltshire England
9. Henry DOVE (b 26 Dec 1688) - Woodford Wiltshire England
10. Henry DOVE (b 23 Jan 1656) - Downton Wiltshire England
11. Henry DOVE

One year hence

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It is interesting to look at the past year of my life and my research for they are forever entwined. I entered this past year with back trouble resulting from two falls about two weeks apart. I learned a great deal about my character as a result of those falls. I can be an absolutely very stubborn person and it was that absolute stubbornness that resulted in my basically standing for six months whenever I was awake and thus my back healed with careful exercises which initially did not appear to be working although I have done my yoga exercises for over 45 years. I had to finetune them to work with a healing back and so I did and the net result was amazing in retrospect. Six months after the accident I was able to return slowly to my research and sitting at the computer for longer than a couple of minutes. I still did do some research but not to any great extent. It gave me a great deal of time to think about where my research was going and the activities with which I was involved. The two were in a hopeless collision that I had to resolve and it took me the other six months to resolve that and to train my mind not to become involved in projects that did not directly lead to more information on my two one name studies or to enhancing my own family research. It has been difficult to keep myself from becoming distracted by other interesting ideas but as I turn 70 in just a couple of days I think that I am now facing forward and thinking clearly in terms of how to accomplish the most out of my research days to both compliment my one name studies which do quite fascinate me and my own family research which has changed in some ways this past year.

First of all, my DNA studies are now completely integrated with my family research. Although I still do all that paper research (while mostly microfilm records either online or as fiche that I have purchased), I am now looking keenly at all the autosomal data that I have accumulated by testing both myself and my brother at most of the companies. Me, I am tested at every main company except for National Genographic 2.0 and Britains DNA and my brother is tested at every company except AncestryDNA which I intend to resolve in the next month or so. I am somewhat overwhelmed with dna data at the moment and about to get another deluge of information from 23 and Me so will wait on that test for another month. I also want to do the Full Genome of my brother who has been so willing to be tested. He has been grand. But now I am able to produce these interesting tables combining all the companies results and my known cousins and triangulate results to give me a peek into the past.

Secondly, I have determined that five years is the length of time that I will spend on the Blake and Pincombe one name studies. I will still maintain them after that date but I will not actively research other lines than my own after I am 75 years of age. I hope that in the five years I will find someone younger/willing to take on the one name studies and give them all my acquired material or I will donate it to a local repository to be available to anyone who wishes to use it.

Thirdly, I will from now on have a 52 ancestor challenge beginning each new year where I selectively work on family lines  - next year is already dedicated to the 4x great grandparents of our grandchildren and many other grandchildren as their descendants number in the tens of thousands on their French Canadian side and their Colonial American side. My side, English, has considerly less descendants due to very small families in some of my lines that went on to produce offspring. The two World Wars were particularly hard on many of my family lines in the southern part of England. But even before that I have a number of only children in lines in more than one generation.

Fourthly, I need to plan (with my husband of course) several research trips directed at learning as much as I can about several lines that are quite veiled to me although the DNA results are certainly showing that I am looking in the right direction. I just need to read what is available in a couple of particular repositories.

Fifthly, I have a couple of large scanning projects that I want to complete this next year. I will redo my calendar to suit these changes in my thoughts. I will turn two half days into scanning days.

Since my dedicated research days on particular family lines (namely Monday although that occasionally comes a little earlier) is not involved with my own family lines I need to have some "spare time" built into my calendar plan to accommodate DNA research with respect to my personal family lines. I have started to write to cousins to see if I can persuade any of them to test for particular lines. My mother's side now has a couple of interesting results that let me look back into her lines but I still have very little on my father's side of close family relatives so that I have a control group to look at other matches as they drop into my various matches at the many companies. He was an only child and I only have a few 2nd cousins on his side.

For the remainder of this year, I will continue working on my 4x great grandparents - Jane Morgan is to come and I know very little about her. That will just be luck I think finding out more about Thomas Rawlin's wife's line. Then on to the Lywood family which has been well researched by Warwick Lywood with his one name study although the name of George Lywood's wife is Elizabeth Lanham rather than Canham which was a rather great find earlier in the year. Then my Peck line and Martha Peck's father was unknown and remains that way - was he a Napoleonic soldier? a great unknown but Elizabeth Peck will be written about. Then John Rew the grandfather of Elizabeth Rew my 2x great grandmother married to John Pincombe, the emigrant, and staying with the Pincombe theme I will look at Philip Rowcliffe father of Elizabeth Rowcliffe married to Robert Pincombe and Mary Charley my 4x great grandmother and mother of Robert Pincombe. Then back to Somerset and Grace Kent married to Robert Siderfin is my next 4x great grandparent. Up to the East riding of Yorkshire to write about Robert Gray and Jane Hilton my 4x great grandparents whose grandson Robert Gray Junior was my emigrant ancestor in that line. Their son Robert married Elizabeth Cobb and my next 4x great grandfather was her father John Cobb of Kilnwick ERY. Then finally on the homeward trek I reach into the family lines of my maternal grandmother looking at her grandmother's Welch family. John Welch married Margaret Brockhouse 16 Feb 1783 at Rugeley Staffordshire and they are my 4x great grandparents. My 2x great grandmother Ann Welch's maternal grandparents were William Cheatle and likely Sarah Woodcock married 23 Feb 1773 at Castle Donington. A recent DNA match may help to prove this line. Then the last ancestor challenge of the year is my unknown Taylor line written up something like I wrote up unknown Buller quite a while ago now. I suspect he is the father of Samuel Taylor married to Ann Lewis Harborne and one of these days I think the DNA matches will tell me part of that story. Was he Irish? I am curious about that as his wife was English going back another three generations. It will be an interesting last post of the year to write. That gives me a total of 16 4x great grandparents to write about in the 52 Ancestor Challenge and there are 16 weeks remaining. And Challenge 36 was published for this week  - William Dove.

Discussion on Grace Routledge

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I had a very interesting email from a descendant of Mary Routledge, widow of Crossgreens or Strandheads in regard to my blog post on Grace Routledge, my 4x great grandmother, one of  my 52 Ancestor Challenges. It was exceedingly interesting to have her perspective and her ancestry in the Routledge family.

 http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/2015/08/grace-routledge-c-1736-1767.html

She wrote: "In my family history, I have Mary Routledge (nee Forster) of Strandheads marrying John Routledge at Lanercost in 1730, with their children being:- Adam born 1732 died 1767 at Crossgreens; John born 1738; Catherine born 1739; Henry born 1741; William born 1743 died 1761 at Clatteringford; Grace born 1744 and Mary born 1748.
"I am descended from Mary and John’s daughter Catherine.  She was living at Strandheads at the time of her marriage to Thomas Douglas (also mentioned in Archibald Forsters will), her brother Henry (who was living at Cumcrook, Stapleton at the time of catherine marriage) was the bondsman for their marriage licence.  Mary Routledge died at Cumcrook in 1776, Catherine died at Cumcrook in 1792.  When Catherine’s brother William died at Clatteringford, Catherine and Thomas Douglas were living there as well."
As I mention in my blog post I was having difficulty reconciling the known facts of Mary Routledge married to Thomas Routledge in that she was said to be of Kirkbeckstown and he of Hill with the facts about Mary Routledge, widow of Crossgreens and Strandheads. The writer also accounts for the Douglas family being mentioned in the will in that is her line.
I am most thankful for her comments on the post and her email. I have written back to ask if she has any more information on John Routledge the husband of Mary (Forster) Routledge, widow of Crossgreens or Strandheads.  

It is interesting meeting someone who also shares information on their ancestral line in this will of Archibald Forrester (three of my 4x great grandparents are mentioned in this will abstract) and this is a copy which I received from another Routledge researcher exactly as received (Is he the Archibald Forster buried 8 May 1767 or 2nd May 1766 at Stapleton from Family Search?):


Carlisle Record Office Will of Archibald FORRESTER of Cleughside, Bewcastle[Bc] 1767, pg 63.    [I’ve included this one since it names many Routledges with places]
Grace Forrester, deceased poss. The mother of John Routledge
John Forrester, Wit

Adam Routledge s o Mary, Wid
George Routledge, of Oakshaw, Bc, father of 2 children
Grace Routledge, daughter of [d o ] Mary Routledge, Wid
Henry Routledge, s o Mary R*
Henry Routledge of Borderrigg, dec., father of 3 children
John Routledge s o Mary R*, Wid
John Routledge, my “sister’s son, possibly s o Grace
Leondard Routledge of Oakshaw
Mary Routledge of Crossgreens or Strandsheads, Wid, mother of Grace, Mary, Adam, John and Henry
Mary Routledge, d o Mary, Wid
William Routledge of Oakshaw, deceased, father of William R*
William Routledge of Oakshaw s o late William Routledge
Francis Armstrong, Wit
Catherine Dowglass of Ash w o Thomas Douglas
Thomas Dowglass [sic Douglas] of Ash husband of Catherine
Catherine Henderson d o Robert and Helenor Henderson
Helenor Henderson wife of Robert and mother of Catherine
Robert Henderson husband of Helenor and father of Catherine
Alexander Kennedie  of Cleughside, Friend, husband of Sibella
Catherine Kennedie of Cleughside, d o Alexander
Elizabeth Kennedie of Cleughside
John Kennedie of Cleughside s o Alexander
Sibella Kennedie of Cleughside w o Alexander
William Kennedie of Cleughside s o Alexander

I have coloured this abstract to show her ancestors (green) and my ancestors (blue).  Seeing the entire will would be most helpful. I haven't investigated these other lines mentioned in the will so should perhaps do that if possible. 

There is a marriage of Alexander Kennedy to Sybill Routledge 29 February 1752 at Bewcastle (both of the parish of Bewcastle). Children mentioned in the will abstract include: Catherine, John and William (possibly Elizabeth although it doesn't actually say that). There is a Sybbel Routledge baptized 10 Oct 1726 at Bewcastle daughter of John Routledge. The testator mentions that this Alexander Kennedie is a friend. 

There is a marriage of Robert Henderson and Eleanor Routledge 28 Jun 1750 at Bewcastle (both of the parish of Bewcastle). There is a Catherine Henderson baptized 3 May 1752 at Tanfield, Durham. I was not able to pinpoint a likely baptism for Eleanor Routledge. 

I do happen to have a list of the Marriages at Lanercost For Routledge (alphabetical order by the forename of the Groom):

Routledge    Adam    CARUTHERS    Eliz:    20    Jan    1731    Groom: Hill End            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    Adam    IRWING    Susannah    26    Jan    1758    Groom of Bewcastle, Bride of this parish, Witnesses: Adam Routledge and Thomas Armstrong            Lanercost
Routledge    Andrew    ARNSTRONG    Sybil    8    Jun    1733    Bride: Spadeadam            Lanercost
Routledge    Archibald    ROBSON    Mary    24    Jun    1718    Bride: Reay Hills            Lanercost
Routledge    Arthur    WATSON    Mary    5    Sep    1829    Groom of Walton, bride of parish minor with consent of mother Mary Watson, Witnesses: Barbara Watson and Robert Tweddle            Lanercost
Routledge    Edward    FORSTER    Margaret    18    Jul    1733    Bride: Moorgards            Lanercost
GRAHAM    Eppy    Routledge    Francis    13    Apr    1734    Groom: Askerton Eppy            Lanercost
OVENS    Francis    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    1    Sep    1756    Both of parish, witnesses: John Robinson and John Routledge            Lanercost
KENNEDY    George    ROUTLEDGE    Grace    14    Jun    1810    Groom of this parish a minor, bride of Bewcastle a minor with consent of parents, witnesses: John Bulman and John Heward            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    George    ARMSTRONG    Eliz:    1    Jun    1768    Groom of Bewcastle, bride of this parish, Witnesses: Thomas Armstrong and Marge Routledge            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    George    ROBSON    Jane    28    Aug    1788    Groom of Bewcastle, bride of this parish, Witnesses: Robert Talfourd and Margaret Routledge            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    Henry    TWEDDLE    Margaret    3    Oct    1759    Groom of Bewcastle, Bride of this parish, Witnesses: Thomas Tweddle and Grace Routledge            Lanercost
ARMSTRONG    James    ROUTLEDGE    Rachel    20    Oct    1743                Lanercost
Routledge    Jno    ROBSON    Mary    27    May    1728                Lanercost
Armstrong    John    ROUTLEDGE    Sarah    19    Jun    1813    Groom of this parish, bride of this parish a minor with consent of parents, witnesses: George James and John Magee            Lanercost
BLACKLOCK    John    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    24    Mar    1821    Both of this parish, witnesses: Joseph Rowntree and Mary Heward            Lanercost
HOWARD    John    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    2    Nov    1768    Both of this parish, Witnesses: Nanny Routledge            Lanercost
OLIVER    John    ROUTLEDGE    Margaret    11    Nov    1828    Both of this parish, witnesses: Simon Snowdon and Jane Routledge            Lanercost
Routledge    John    ARMSTRONG    Catherine    4    Apr    1678    groom: Bewcastle, bride: Spadeadam            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    John    Hoodless    Elizabeth    7    Mar    1780    Groom of this parish, bride of Brampton, Witnesses: John Brougham and Frances Routledge            Lanercost
Routledge    John    TOMPSON    Margt    28    Nov    1712    Groom: Abbey-Mill            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    John    TWEDDLE    Anne    24    Dec    1760    Groom of Kirklinton, bride of this parish, witnesses: Nathan Routledge and Anne Graham            Lanercost
STEEL    Jonathan    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    21    Jul    1810    Groom of Bewcastle, bride of this parish, Witnesses: Elizabeth Potts and Thomas Routledge            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    Joseph    IRVING    Elizabeth    5    Mar    1811    Both of this parish, witnesses: John Bird and John Magee            Lanercost

Routledge    Robert    ARMSTRONGE    Eliz:    18    Jun    1698    Groom: Smith-steads            Lanercost
TWEDDLE    Joseph    ROUTLEDGE    Margaret    17    Aug    1794    Groom of Bewcastle, bride of this parish, witnesses: George Routledge and Mary Shortrigg            Lanercost 
ROUTLEDGE    Robert    CALVERT    Mally    7    Jan    1796    Both of this parish, Witnesses: William Lee and Nichols Maughan            Lanercost
Routledge    Robert    MAWERS    Mary    13    Oct    1737    Bride: Swaits            Lanercost
NOBLE    Simon    ROUTLEDGE    Grace    5    Jan    1768    Groom of Bewcastle, bride of this parish, Witnesses: Joseph Potts and William Armstrong            Lanercost
Routledge    Tho:    ARMSTRONG    Magdalen    27    Feb    1690    Groom: Bewcastle            Lanercost
Routledge    Tho:    HETHERTON    Anne    23    Nov    1710    Bride: MoreGards            Lanercost
GARDHOUSE    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Isabella    12    Nov    1809    Groom of Greystoke, bride of this parish, witnesses: Matthew Routledge and John Magee            Lanercost
GRAHAM    Thos:    ROUTLEDGE    Isabella    2    Sep    1740    b of Upper Denton            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    Thos:    RIDLEY    Frances    17    Jan    1754    Bride of Kirkcambeck            Lanercost
ROUTLEDGE    Thos:    SCOTT    Mary    1    Jun    1762    Groom of this parish, bride of Kirkandrews upon Esk, Witnesses: William Appleby and William Graham            Lanercost
ALLEN    Walter    Routledge    Margt    19    Jul    1715    Groom: Greensborne            Lanercost
TAYLOR    William    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    23    Jun    1829    Groom of Haltwhistle, NTH, bride of this parish, Witnesses: John and Jane Elliot            Lanercost
Some of these marriages are in either my direct line or are related to my direct line as known by me and they are bolded.

The Routledge marriages at Bewcastle:

ARMSTRONG    Willm.    ROUTLEDGE    Abigail    5    Feb    1733        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    John    ROUTLEDGE    Eliz.    14    May    1744        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    James    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth    28    Nov    1725        Groom of Lanercost, Bride of this parish        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    John    ROUTLEDGE    Ellinor    19    Nov    1725        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    Andrew    ROUTLEDGE    Grizill    10    Jul    1677        Certificate from Mr. Andrew Pringle, minister from Castleton        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    John    ROUTLEDGE    Isobel    22    May    1744        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    Joseph    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    4    Dec    1735        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    Robt.    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    7    Jun    1735        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG    William    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    13    Jun    1749        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ARMSTRONG,    Robert    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    24    Nov    1808        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Clement Armstrong and Grace Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
BARNES,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Ann,    21    Sep    1793    Wigton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, single, license, witnesses: Adam and Richard Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
BELL    Willm.    ROUTLEDGE    Agnes    16    Nov    1667    botp    banns published, curate certified        Bewcastle                                                                   
BRECKINS    John    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    28    May    1719        botp        Bewcastle                                                                   
CROZIOR    Wm.    ROUTLEDGE    Isabell    4    Sep    1755        bop, license        Bewcastle                                                                   
DAVISON    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Margt.    14    Feb    1751        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
DIXON    Abraham    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    6    Jun    1711                Bewcastle                                                                   
DODGSON    John    ROUTLEDGE    Grisel    26    Nov    1741        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
DODGSON,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Ann,    25    Jun    1790        minor (w consent of parents), minor (w consent of mother), license, Witnesses: John and Robert Dodgson        Bewcastle                                                                   
DOWGLASS    Thos.    ROUTLEDGE    Catharine,    15    Dec    1763        license.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ELLIOT    Joseph    ROUTLEDGE    Hannah    22    Jul    1713                Bewcastle                                                                   
ELLIOT,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Mary,    31    Jan    1793        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: William Armstrong and William Lauder (banns published at Stapleton)        Bewcastle                                                                   
EWART,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    18    May    1790        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: Thomas and Mary Armstrong        Bewcastle                                                                   
 

FORESTER    William    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    27    Jun    1738        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
FORESTER,    Edward    ROUTLEDGE    Rachel,    11    Nov    1783    Bewcastle (groom), Walton (bride)    widr, single, license, witnesses: Robt. Dodgson and John Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
FORRESTER    Francis    ROUTLEDGE    Ann    28    Nov    1745    Kirkandrews (groom), Bewcastle (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
                                                        
FORSTER    Andrew    ROUTLEDGE    Jennat    6    Dec    1712                Bewcastle                                                                   
FORSTER    John    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    2    Dec    1747        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
FOSTER    John    ROUTLEDGE    Isabell    26    Nov    1708                Bewcastle                                                                   
FOSTER    William    ROUTLEDGE    Jannet    8    Jun    1698    Ash (groom), Cragges (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
GOODFELLOW,    Robert    ROUTLEDGE    Margret,    8    Jan    1789    Lanercost (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, single, banns, witnesses: John and Mary Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
GRINDLEY,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Isabella,    17    May    1783        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: John Armstrong and Robert Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
HARDING    Christopher    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    24    Jul    1712                Bewcastle                                                                   
HARDING,    Arthur    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    7    Jun    1800    Lanercost (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, spinster, license, witnesses: John Routledge and Christopher Harding        Bewcastle                                                                   
HAUGHAN,    Nicholas    ROUTLEDGE    Isabella,    14    Nov    1796        bop, bach, wid, license, witnesses: William Richards and Elizabeth Nixon        Bewcastle                                                                   
HENDERSON    Robert    ROUTLEDGE    Eleanor    28    Jun    1750        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
HENDERSON    Will.    ROUTLEDGE    Illinor    16    Nov    1676                Bewcastle                                                                   
HENDERSON    James    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    12    Aug    1744        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
HENDERSON,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Dorothy,    11    Jan    1773        bop, banns, widr and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
HETHERINGTON    Jo.    ROUTLEDGE    Eliz.    26    Jun    1701                Bewcastle                                                                   
HETHERINGTON,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    11    Feb    1771        Fearlam Parish (groom), bride otp, banns, bachelor and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
JACKSON,    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    9    Oct    1794    Walton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, minor (with consent of William her father), witnesses: James Smith and Robert Goodfellow        Bewcastle                                                                   
JOHNSTONE,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Mary,    22    Jan    1782    Middleby (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, single, license, witnesses: Thomas Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
KENNEDY    Alexander    ROUTLEDGE    Sybill    29    Feb    1752        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
KILE    Andrew    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    6    Nov    1718        Kirkandery (groom), otp (bride)        Bewcastle                                                                   
LITTLE,    James    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    18    Apr    1781    Walton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, single, banns, witnesses: Thomas Halliburton and Francis Armstrong        Bewcastle                                                                   
LITTLE,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Margret,    19    Feb    1805        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: James Little and Mary Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
LITTLE,    Robert    Routledge    Mary    15    Jun    1775    bop (by license); witnesses: John Routledge, James Little            Bewcastle                                                                   
MILLAR,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Isabella,    29    Jul    1795        bop, widr, single, banns, witnesses: William Grindley and John Lattimour        Bewcastle                                                                   
MILLAR,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Jannet,    8    Nov    1796        bop, bach, spinster, license, witnesses: Gideon Millar and Elizabeth Talford        Bewcastle                                                                   
MILLER,    Gideon    ROUTLEDGE    Magdalene,    21    May    1772                Bewcastle                                                                   
MILLICAN,    John    ROUTLEDGE    Margaret,    15    Feb    1809        bop, bach, minor (with consent of mother), license, Witnesses: William Routledge and Mary Millican        Bewcastle                                                                   
Nichol    Francis    Routledge    Hannah    9    Feb     1774    bop            Bewcastle                                                                   
NIXAN    William    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth    22    Nov    1698    Slacks (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
NIXON    William    ROUTLEDGE    Eleanor    14    Jun    1744        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
NIXON    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth    3    Feb    1687                Bewcastle                                                                   
NIXON    Jno.    ROUTLEDGE    Frances    8    Jul    1737        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
NIXON,    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    13    Dec    1779        bachelor, spinister, bop, license, witnesses: Syvil and Richd.Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
NOBLE    Andrew    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    7    Nov    1692                Bewcastle                                                                   
NOBLE    James    ROUTLEDGE    Magdalen    18    May    1665                Bewcastle                                                                   
PIGG,    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Ann,    7    Dec    1811        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: William and Mary Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
PIGG,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Nancy,    21    May    1795        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: John Routledge and James Davidson        Bewcastle                                                                   
POTT    Richd.    ROUTLEDGE    Eliz.    25    May    1743    Bewcastle (groom), Lanercost (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
RENNICK,    William    ROUTLEDGE    Mary,    24    Jun    1778        bop, banns, bachelor, spinister, witnesses: George and William Forester        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROBSON    Clement    ROUTLEDGE    Mabel (Isabell)    4    Dec    1751    Lanercost (groom), Bewcastle (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Adam    ARMSTRONG    Elinore    3    Jul    1677    Belbanke (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Adam    ASHBRIDGE    Rachel    25    Jan    1768    license    Bewcastle (groom), Halfmorton, N Britain (bride), license        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Adam,    HENDERSON,    Jane    13    Jun    1758    Bewcastle (groom widr)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Andrew    WILSON    Elizabeth    28    Apr    1668                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Andrew    BOUSTEAD    Mary    12    Nov    1755    Bewcastle (groom), Brampton (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    14    Nov    1733    Flatt    botp        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Archbald    NIXON    Eliz.    8    Jul    1703                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Archibald    NIXON    Jane    14    Jun    1716        botp        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Arthur    FORSTER    Katharine    1    Aug    1717        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Arthur    ELLIOT    Nancy    12    Dec    1768    Lanercost (groom), Bewcastle (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robert    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    13    Jul    1767        bop, license.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William,    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    7    Nov    1804        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: John and Elizabeth Nixon        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    George    ROUTLEDGE    Grace,    16    Jun    1763        license.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    George,    PATTISON,    Hannah    10    Mar    1804    Lanercost (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, single, license, witnesses: Thomas Robson and Frances Messenger        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    George,    ARMSTRONG,    Margaret    17    Jun    1812    Stapleton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    widr, wid, license, witnesses: James Nixon and Jane Graham        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Jam.    ARMSTRONG    Ellinor    28    Nov    1677    Craggs (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    James    ROUTLEDGE    Ellinor    1    Jun    1665                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    James    HUNTER    Jane    19    Aug    1767    Stapleton (broom), Bewcastle (bride)    banns        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    James    ROUTLEDGE    Mary,    18    Aug    1778    Stapleton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    groom - widower, license, witnesses: William and Jannet Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    James,    STORY,    Jane    10    Nov    1780         bop, banns, bachelor, single, witnesses: Elizabeth Routledge and Christopher Nicholson        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robert    Armstrong    Jane    16    Jun    1745        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    9    Dec    1802        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: Richard Routledge and Arthur Harding        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Jo.    ARMSTRONG    Mary    17    Nov    1703                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    MICHOLSON    Elliner    6    Feb    1669                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    ARMSTRONG    Catherine    22    Nov    1691    Bewcastle (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    WAUGH    Margaret    13    Feb    1711                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    SCOTT    Margt.    21 or 24    Aug    1748        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    ROUTLEDGE    Sybil    15    Jul    1752        both of Lanercost        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    ATKINSON    Mary    11    Jul    1756        bop, banns, wit: Thoms Foster and Jno Story        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    GRAHAM,    Mary    1    Aug    1768        bop, banns        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John    Little    Frances    22    Jul    1773    bop            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    SCOT,    Isabel    12    Dec    1770        bop, license, bachelor and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    SMITH,    Ann    22    Dec    1784        bop, bachelor, license, witnesses: John Nixon and William Renwick        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    25    Aug    1785    Brampton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bach, minor (with consent of parents), license, witnesses: John Atkinson and Leond Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    NIXON,    Isabella    8    Aug    1787        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Anthony Nixon and James Hetherington        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    John,    HARRISON,    Margret    28    Apr    1794        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: William Richards and John Nixon        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Leonard    DODGSON    Elinor    24    Aug    1711                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Leonard    ROUTLEDGE    Margt.    25    Jun    1766        bop, banns        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Leonard,    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    17    Dec    1770        bop, license, bachelor and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robert,    ROUTLEDGE    Margret,    12    Nov    1805        bop, bach, wid, license, witnesses: John Elliot and Elizabeth Williamson        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Rich.    STORY    Jane    12    Jul    1709                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Richard,    NIXON,    Ann    25    Dec    1771        bop, banns, bachelor and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Richard,    ARMSTNG,    Eliz.    7    Sep    1780        bop, bachelor, banns, witnesses: John Routledge and Thomas Allen        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robert    NIXON    Anne    14    Nov    1727        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robert,    ARMSTRONG,    Jane    13    May    1805        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: John and James Hunter        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Robt.    FOSTER    Grizell    21    Jul    1692                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    28    Nov    1677    Camolflatt (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    MOPHETT    Jane    11    Jul    1702                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    DONEY    Anne    10    Jun    1711                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    ARMSTRONG    Grizell    31    Jul    1712                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    ALLON    Eliz.    11    Jun    1713                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Tho.    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    18    Nov    1733    Hill (groom), Kirkbeckstown (bride)    bop        Bewcastle                                                                  
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas    NIXON    Isabell    19    Nov    1667                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas    NIXON    Dorothye        May    1669                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas    Noble    Anne    14    Jun    1712                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas    STORYE    Elizabeth    5    Feb    1733    Oakshaw (groom), Lanercost (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Eliz    27    Aug    1753        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas,    ROUTLEDGE    Eliz.    23    Jun    1785        bop, bachelor, single, license, witnesses: George Routledge and Leonard Potts        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas,    BATTY,    Hanny    22    Jan    1794        bop, widr, single, banns, witnesses: John Nixon and William Ritchardson        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas,    LUNG,    Elizabeth    1    Oct    1798        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Gideon Miller and Thomas Messenger        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thomas,    NIXON,    Elizabeth    26    Oct    1812        bop, bach, single, license, witnesses: Thomas Nixon and Elizabeth Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thos.    NOBLE    Anne    14    Jun    1713                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Thos.    ALLAN    Ann    23    Nov    1746    Bewcastle (groom), Lanercost (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Will.    STORY    Isabel    22    Jul    1676                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William    Nixon    Margarett    26    Feb    1666                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William    ELLIOT    Mary    7    Jun    1745    Bewcastle (groom), Lanercost (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William    ROUTLEDGE    Jane    15    Nov    1753        bop, license        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William,    CROZIER,    Isabella    3    Oct    1788        bop, widr, single, license, witnesses: John Kennedy and Isabella Elliot        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    William,    ARMSTRONG,    Mary    1    Mar    1803    Bewcastle (groom), Irthington (bride)    bach, single, witnesses: John Phillipson and Richard Nixon        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Willm.    ROUTLEDGE    Grissell            1704                Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Willm.    EDGAR    Blanch    17    Jun    1726        otp (groom), St Mary's Carlisle (bride)        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Willm.    FOSTER    Elizabeth    5    Jun    1757        bop, license        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Willm.,    HENDERSON    Margaret    3    May    1766        bop, banns, groom widr.         Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Wm.    ATHOL    Esther    17    Jan    1733        bop.        Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Wm.    TALEFORD,    Nancy    8    Aug    1764        banns         Bewcastle                                                                   
ROUTLEDGE    Wm.,    HARDING,    Jane    17    Jun    1772    Stapleton (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    banns, bachelor and spinster        Bewcastle                                                                   
SANDERSON    Patricke    ROUTLEDGE    Margarett    15    Nov    1666                Bewcastle                                                                   
SCOTT    John    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    10    Oct    1705                Bewcastle                                                                   
SHORTRIDGE,    Robert    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    4    Dec    1807        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Isaac Dodgson and John Nixon        Bewcastle                                                                   
SMITH,    James    ROUTLEDGE    Mary,    5    Feb    1792        bop, bach, minor (with consent of parents), license, witnesses: William Routledge and Nancy Lung)        Bewcastle                                                                   
STEEL,    Richard    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    16    Sep    1769                Bewcastle                                                                   
STORY    Leonard    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    12    Jun    1712                Bewcastle                                                                   
STORY    Adam    ROUTLEDGE    Isabell    13    Oct    1677                Bewcastle                                                                   
STORY    (illegible)    ROUTLEDGE    Jennet            1686                Bewcastle                                                                   
SUMERS    Adam    ROUTLEDGE    Mary    20    Oct    1748        bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
TALFOR,    George    ROUTLEDGE    Jane,    12    Jun    1786        bop, bach, single, license, Witnesses: Robert Little and Mary Robson        Bewcastle                                                                   
TALFOR,    Nathan    ROUTLEDGE    Margret,    5    Jul    1787        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Thomas Routledge and William Talfor        Bewcastle                                                                   
TALFORTH,    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Anne,    16    Dec    1776        bop, banns, bachelor and spinster, witnesses: John Routledge and John Routledge        Bewcastle                                                                   
TAYLOUR    Wm.    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    25    Nov    1693                Bewcastle                                                                   
TURNER    Matthew    ROUTLEDGE    Jannet    2    Aug    1733    Sandcrook (groom), Highonset (bride)            Bewcastle                                                                   
TWEEDLE    John    ROUTLEDGE    Sybella    25    Nov    1742    Arthuret (groom), Bewcastle (bride)    bop        Bewcastle                                                                   
WAUGH    John    ROUTLEDGE    Anne    29    Jul    1730    Lanercost (groom)            Bewcastle                                                                   
WILLIAMSON,    Thomas    ROUTLEDGE    Elizabeth,    16    Jan    1791        bop, bach, single, banns, witnesses: Robert and Mary Dodgson        Bewcastle                                                                   
WILSON    John    Routledge    Grace    22    Nov    1790    bop (BAnns); Witnesses: William Little, Alexander Wilson            Bewcastle                                                                   

The bolded marriage (Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge) is for the parents of my Grace Routledge I believe. A search of the baptisms at Bewcastle does give a baptism for a John son of Thomas and Mary Routledge 27 Jun 1735 at Kirkbeckstown. 1 Dec 1738 a Thomas Routledge was buried at Bewcastle and he was of Kirkbeckstown. The question is am I right that Grace is the daughter of Thomas Routledge and Mary Routledge or is she the daughter of John Routledge and Mary Forster?




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